Konie boskie i specjalne        
Konie boskie
Konie boskie krótko mówiąc... są boskie. Dają graczowi diamenty, zestawy nyks i wiele innych.  Boskie konie mogą brać udział w zawodach, ale tylko z boskimi końmi (są wtedy specjalne zawody) oraz nie mogą brać udział w Grand Prix.


Sleipnir, Slejpnir

Niesamowity koń boski posiadający osiem nóg zamiast czterech. Sleipniry są nieśmiertelne i występują w 5 -ciu kolorach. Wszystkie te konie to ogiery. Jeśli gracz nie loguje się przez 30 dni lub nie opiekuje się końmi przez 7 dni, Sleipnir ucieka, lecz każdy ma możliwość złapania go - poprzez wejście na stronę danego Sleipnira i kliknięcie w link.
A poza Howrse? To ośmionogi koń Odyna, dziecko Lokiego. Sleipnir jest szarej maści, potrafi poruszać się po ziemi, w powietrzu i po piekle.
Loki przemienił się w klacz, by odciągnąć od pracy konia imieniem Swadelfari. Koń ten pomagał swemu panu - wielkoludowi, który zobowiązał się odbudować w ciągu jednej zimy mury Asgardu, twierdzy mającej bronić bogów przed szronowymi i górskimi olbrzymami. Gdyby mu to się udało, otrzymałby w nagrodę Freję. Ostatniego dnia została jeszcze do wstawienia brama. Loki rżeniem zwabił ogiera i uciekł z nim, co zapobiegło utracie przez Azów pięknej bogini. Po jakimś czasie Loki powrócił
do Asgardu prowadząc ośmionogiego karej maści
konia, Sleipnira i podarował go Odynowi. Sleipnir nigdy
nie zawiódł swego pana i wiernie mu służy.
źródło: pl.wikipedia.org

Krezus 

Krezus pojawił się u nas przy okazji Sprzedaży Błyskawicznych. Wytwarza pieniądze zamiast łajna. Każdego 13 dnia miesiąca, Krezus daje swojemu właścicielowi jeden kupon, jeśli ten był zalogowany poprzedniego dnia. W te rzadkie dni, kiedy 13 przypada w piątek, Krezus podarowuje mu 2 kupony. Każdego miesiąca, jeden z koni nazwanych Krezus Junior zmienia się w Krezus. Największą szanse mają gracze, którzy wszystkie swoje ogiery nazwą  Krezus Junior i mają ich naprawdę dużo. Krezusy można sprzedawać.



Gypse

Gypse to boski koń, który codziennie zamienia się w piasek. Aby go odbudować musisz wejść na jego stronę i złapać UFO w postaci piaska, łopatki itp.  Dzięki piasku możesz dodać umiejętności koniu.
Gypse pojawił się u nas podczas promocji puzzle. 
Jest wałachem.
Można go sprzedawać.


Balios  


Balios jest bardzo szczodrym boskim koniem. 19 dnia każdego miesiąca, w czasie aktualizacji serwera, podaruje swojemu właścicielowi Zestaw Nyks, pod warunkiem, że ten logował się poprzedniego dnia. Jeśli jego właściciel nie jest jego oryginalnym hodowcą, ofiaruje mu Zestaw Nyks 19 stycznia, kwietnia, lipca i października. Dodatkowo jego umiejętności wzrastają każdego dnia... Występuje w czterech maściach: gwiezdnej, burzowej, śnieżnej i słonecznej.
W mitologii greckiej nieśmiertelny koń Achillesa. Uchodził za syna boga Zefira i harpii Podarge. Był bratem nieśmiertelnego konia Achillesa - Ksantosa.
 
Boska rodzinka
 
Mgła

Mgła jest boską klaczą, która potrafi dzielić się swoimi umiejętnościami. Poziom jej umiejętności zmienia się każdego dnia: jednego dnia będzie mistrzynią galopu, innego będzie przodować w wytrzymałości... Można raz w jej życiu skrzyżować ją ze Snow'em, czego wynikiem będzie Ocean.








Snow

Snow (inaczej Śnieg, Śnieżny Koń) jest nieśmiertelnym boskim koniem stworzonym specjalnie do zawodów. Kolor imienia każdego z nich zależy od tego,w czym się specjalizuje.
Niebieski - biegi przełajowe
Czerwony -  skoki.
Zielony - kłus.
Fioletowy - galop.
Śnieżnobiały - ujeżdżenie.

 Jest ojcem Oceana.






Ocean

Ocean to koń, który rodzi się i rośnie. Powstaje ze skrzyżowania Snowa i Mgły. Po ojcu odziedziczył moce, po matce ich zmienność. W związku z tym jego niezwykłe umiejętności wymieniają się każdego dnia, czyniąc go potencjalnym mistrzem wszystkich dyscyplin.



Kolekcja Kamieni Szlachetnych

 Szafir

Szafir to koń boski, wygrać było go można, kiedy na howrse była akcja Sałatka Owocowa. Każdego dnia kiedy wchodzimy na Szafira w historii pokazuje się nick osoby, na której profilu ukrywa się ten boski koń. Kiedy wejdziemy na tą osobę, Szafir daje nam w dni parzyste diament, a w dni nieparzyste 1000eq. 








Rubin


Jest pierwszym koniem z tej kolekcji, który pojawił się na polskim Howrse. To drogocenny koń, który ofiarowuje swojemu właścicielowi diamenty. Za każdym razem, gdy obchodzi urodziny, daje mu w prezencie 5 diamentów.
W dni, kiedy Rubin nie dodaje diamentów, jego wzrost troszkę się powiększa...
.



 
 Ametyst


Ametyst jest koniem, który sprawia, że niedługo po położeniu go spać można spotkać na innej stronie UFO.
Te UFO najfartowniejszym z graczy podaruje diament. Pozostali otrzymają punkt dorastania.






 
Jadeit

Jadeit jest koniem z rodziny Kamieni Szlachetnych.
Za każdym razem, gdy budzi się z jedną z umiejętności wyższą lub równą 0, ofiarowuje właścicielowi diament.
W przeciwieństwie do innych koni z tej kolekcji, jego umiejętności nie mogą być podniesione z użyciem diamentów.







 

Szmaragd

 Można ją pokryć Szafirem, z tego skrzyżowania powstanie Topaz.
Można było ją zdobyć w kalendarzu i RO.
Jest jedyną klaczą w tej kolekcji.










When Quinn told me we were going to the Poison concert I thought he was totally kidding.  I mean really, Poison??? I left my big hair, tight and ripped jeans, and all that thick make-up in the 80's.  So, off we went and suddenly I was transported back into 9th grade.  Ahhh, does Bret Micheals ever get old.  Ummmm, yep. . .or maybe that was me.  It was sooooooo freakin loud.  I was often plugging my ears to try and get some relief from the assault on my senses.
You can't see so well in these pics but Bret is sporting some ultra-tight stone washed parahna-chewed style jeans.  I'm pretty sure 1988 was on the phone. . .but clearly, he did not give the pants back. 


So here we are after the concert still "rockin" and our ears totally ringing.  Quinn was still complaining the next morning. . .not to bad for the "thirty-somethings."


Okay, so let's be totally honest here. . .I REAL  reason why I love the fair so much, YEP, the huge boost in self-confidence.  Just 5 minutes from my house and I am the a.) best mom, b.) style fashonista, and c.) sooo skinny.  This year I took photos for evidence.  (and really because it was pretty sneaky fun).   Warning:  further reading may result in the "train wreck" phenomena.



So this chick "looks" pretty normal but I was standing next to her (as I waited for my boys on the Ferris wheel) and she was talking to her kids like they were about 20 years old and her friends.  I was jaw-dropped stunned. . .she was going off talking about how she was going to "F@*$#* her up."  Over and over and over, huge f bombs along with all the other accessories that go with that type of explicits.  And these were 3 little BOYS she was relaying this story to (about ages 6, 9, and 11).  I could not quite starring at her completely stunned and revolted.  As she walked away and I stole the shot of her I was thinking about how thrilled I was that my boys would probably go to school with her kids who have a deranged view on how to behave and treat other people.
So, yea, after that display, I was pretty much a mom of the year candidate.



Yea, my mom jeans, clogs, and tee shirt were not looking as frumpy. . .



Do I really need to explain. . .What muffin?

So there ya go, the reasons I LOVE the fair.  I'll post some pics of freakin cute kids having a great time with their buddies at the fair.  But I had to pull the honestly card first!

Have a great day.

          Cryonic Temple - Into The Glorious Battle (2017)        
Cryonic Temple - Into The Glorious Battle (2017)


Группа: Cryonic Temple
Альбом: Into The Glorious Battle
Год: 2017
Стиль: Power Metal
Страна: Sweden
Формат: mp3. 320 kb/s (Scene)
Размер: 130 Mb


          WPRI 12 News on bed bugs, pesticide resistance, and alternative bed bug treatments        

The following post WPRI 12 News on bed bugs, pesticide resistance, and alternative bed bug treatments appeared first on Bedbugger.com.

This item from WPRI 12 Eyewitness News takes a spin down the “pesticide resistance” road, with sound bites from a woman with bed bugs, Dr. Michael Potter (whose unofficial fan club is housed right here), an unnamed ThermaPure Heat representative talking about that technology, and Douglas Stern talking about Cryonite. Stern stresses the need for […]

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          The Wall Street Journal on “new” bed bug-fighting tactics        

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The Wall Street Journal published an article today mentioning some of the “new” methods of fighting bed bugs. The WSJ mentions Stern’s new Cryonite method, ThermaPure’s heat treatment, Bed Bugs and Beyond’s “poisonous gas,” and Advanced K9’s bed bug dogs. We’re all familiar with all of these options, and in some cases, with other providers […]

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          ã€æœ€æ–°ç™¼è¡Œ/搶先聽】 Fast, Cheap & Out of Control        
【專輯】 Fast, Cheap & Out of Control
【藝人】 HK119
【音樂類型】 電子/舞曲
【發行日期】 2008-09-29
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【完整曲目】
1. Super Bug | 03:40
2. Mind | 02:51
3. Divine | 03:17
4. Liberty | 03:15
5. C'est La Vie | 03:35
6. Tropikalia | 03:23
7. Celeb | 03:39
8. What Am I | 03:00
9. Space Pt 2 | 04:26
10. Avaruusasema | 03:48
11. Night | 02:58
12. Rules & Regulations | 00:28
13. Clone | 03:55
14. Cryonics | 03:52
15. Health & Safety | 00:19
16. Space | 04:15

          Isis Study – July-September 2013 – Part 4 : Summary and discussions        
Isis unveiled, vol. I

Chapter XV –INDIA THE CRADLE OF CIVILIZATION

Pages 606 – 611

The previous blog  no. 3 ended with a note :

In the next blog, number 4, the so-called superstitions of native peoples so unceremoniously dismissed by materialistic sceptics and agnostics will be discussed. It will be shown that open-minded and unbiased  investigation and understanding of these out-of-the-ordinary phenomena on the principles of ancient psychology will greatly extend the horizon of modern science.

Shark and wild beast charmers of India and Ceylon

Marcopolo has recorded in his travelogue the enterprise of pearl fishery of Ceylon (now Sri Lanka). He describes how pearl merchants engaged certain   communities living on the coast to bring up pearls by diving into the sea infested with sharks with the help of shark and wild beast charmers, who, by exercising their psychic powers, prevented the sharks from harming the divers. He called fish charmers Abraiman, probably meaning Brahmans.  He said that  the charmers exercised the power over the sharks to be effective only for the day, and that at the expiry of the period the sharks, freed from the spell, roamed freely in their habitat. These charmers, he said, had the powers to charm from a distance, beasts, birds and every living thing.

While sceptical readers of Marco Polo received his accounts with incredulity, charging him with concocting fictitious tales, Colonel Yule, in his work, Ser Marcopolo, reports that his investigations showed that narrations of Marco Polo were substantially correct. He reported that certain Brahmins were employed in the diamond mines of northern Circars to propitiate tutelary genii. Shark charmers were called Hai Bandi, or “shark binders.” The chief operator was paid by the government, besides receiving ten oysters from each boat during the fishery. The remarkable feature of the power of charms these natives exercised was that not more than one authenticated accident from sharks had taken place during the whole period of the British occupation. It is well known that that off the coast of Sri Lanka the sea is inhabited by sharks of the most voracious kind that it is dangerous to bathe in the sea, let alone to dive for oysters. Col. Yule was even prepared to give the names of the British Officers of highest rank in the Indian service, who resorted to native “magicians” and “sorcerers” to assist them in recovering things lost, or in unravelling vexatious mysteries of one kind or another, and after obtaining the object of their search, expressed privately to the native charmers their gratitude, but, out of fear of being ridiculed and laughed at by their peers, denied truth of magic and led the jest against Hindu “superstition.”

Image of the murdered man imprinted on the retina of the murderer

Scientists at one time believed that the retina of the murdered person retains the image of the murderer, and that the likeness could be made still more striking by subjecting the murdered man to certain fumigations, etc. An American News Paper of March 26, 1877 reported that the theory then held was that the last effort of vision materialized itself and remained as an object imprinted on the retina of the eye after death, and that this had been proved as a fact by an experiment tried in the presence of Dr. Gamgee, F.R.S., of Birmingham, England and Prof. Bunsen, the subject being a rabbit. The eyes, it was reported, were placed near an opening in a shutter, and retaining the shape of the same after the animal had been deprived of life.

An account of a semi-magical séance in Paris

India is tirelessly projected by the Christian missionaries in the West as a country inhabited   by people given to idolatry and superstition. In Paris, a centre of civilization, a semi-magical soiree was held. It had all the features of  occult practices which the civilized West would look upon as superstition.

A detail report of the phenomena was furnished to HPB by John L. Sullivan, Ex-Minister  Plenipotentiary  of the U.S.A. to Portugal, who attended the semi-magical séance.

It was in Paris, in the house of a highly respectable physician, whose name he did not divulge as he had no authority to do so. He is referred to in the narration as Dr. X. Mr. Sullivan  was introduced there by an English friend of his, a well known Spiritualist, by name Gledstanes. There were about ten observers who witnessed of the phenomenon.

Dr, X had investigated occult mysteries  for some twenty five years, which he exhibited to the assembled people. His object in exhibiting the phenomenon was to provoke scientific community to take up the investigation of the mysterious powers and faculties latent in man, which would extend the horizon of scientific knowledge into the domain of the hidden forces of Nature and of man. He intended to write a book on his discoveries and experiments.

The players in the exhibition of the phenomenon were two ladies, one was his wife, Madam X, and the other was whom O’ Sullivan called Madam Y. Madam Y was a sensitive, or, a Medium, who had worked closely with Dr. X in his experiments. The following performances were exhibited :

1. Both the ladies had their eyes closed, and apparently in trance. He had them stand at the opposite end of a grand piano, which was shut. He asked them to place their hands upon the piano. Sounds began to issue from its chords which were sounds of marching, galloping, drums, trumpets, rolling musketry, cannon, cries and groans. It lasted for five to ten minutes.

2. Before the two mediums were brought in, Mr. Sullivan had written in pencil on a small piece of paper the names of three objects—known only to himself : the name of the great composer, Beethoven (deceased), name of a flower, daisy, and a French cake, plombieres. He rolled the paper into a pellet and kept in his hand. None knew what he had written other than himself.

He was asked to hand in the rolled paper to madam Y. She held it unopened in between her fingers, placing her hand on her lap. The room was brilliantly lit from chandeliers from two sides of the room. After a while she dropped the paper on the floor, and Mr. Sullivan picked it up.

Dr. X directed her to make an “evocation of the dead.” He placed in her hand a steel rod of some four or five feet in length, the top of which was crowned with a short cross-piece—the Egyptian Tau. With it, the Tau at the free end, she drew a circle round her of about six feet in diameter and handed it back to Dr, X. She stood there for some time. Her lips began to move, muttered some sounds, which after a while became distinct in articulation, sounding like a litany. It sounded like some Oriental language, then loudly cried out “Beethoven !” and fell backwards, prostrate on the floor.

Dr. X leaned over her, made magnetic passes about her face and neck, propped her shoulders and neck with cushions. She laid there as a sick person for about half  an hour during which she seemed to pass through phases of gradual death. Her pulse ceased, heart beat stopped, her hands, arms and arms pit, feet and legs became cold. Dr. X invited the assembled to examine these details. Her gasping for breath came at longer intervals and grew more and more feeble. At last her end came, head falling sideways. She was dead.

Dr. X hastened to revive her. He produced two snakes (from where O Sullivan said he did not notice), huddled them about her neck and down to her bosom, and made eager transverse passes about her neck and head. She slowly revived, and servants carried her off into a private apartment. After a while she returned in good shape. The doctor said she was critical and that but for the exercise in reviving her she would not have survived. It was not any trickery as it was witnessed by eminent people, among whom were respectable physicians, and under the glaring light in a drawing room.

3. Madam Y returned. Mr. O sullivan still held the unopened pellet of paper containing the three words privately written by him. Name Beethovan was the first word. She sat for some time, began to move restlessly, and cried, “Ah, it burns, it burns,” her face showing signs of pain. She raised one of her hands, and it contained the daisy flower. Mr. O Sullivan received it from her. The assembled examined the flower. How the flower happened to come into her hands remained an unsolved puzzle for the observers—whether it was produced under her arms or was an apport, as happens in spiritualistic  phenomena.

4. The third word Mr. Sullivan had written was the name of the cake—plombieres. She went through the motion of eating though no cake was visible, and asked Mr. Sullivan whether he would go with her to Plombiere. Mr. Sullivan thought this could be a simple case of mind-reading.

5. This was followed by another scene in which Madam X seemed to be possessed by the spirit of Beethoven. Mr. Sullivan called out the name Beethoven but she did not hear him, until he called it out loudly in her ears. She responded with a slight bow. He remembered that Beethoven was deaf. He begged her to play on the piano. She sat at the piano and performed magnificently which was recognized by the company as in Beethoven’s style, though Madam Y was known to be only a very ordinary amateur performer.  She played and conversed for half an hour in the character of Beethoven. Her facial expression and tumbled hair strangely resembled Beethoven’s.

Mr. Sullivan placed in her hands a sheet of paper and a cryon and asked her to sketch the face of the person she saw before her. She rapidly sketched a head and face resembling Beethoven’s bust, as a young man, and dashed off a signature under it, which resembled the signature of the Composer.

The performance came to end. Mr. Sullivan conversed with his spiritualist friend, Mr Gledstanes about the phenomena they witnessed. Mr Gledstanes admitted action of spirits, as he was an experienced spiritualist, and besides, having studied occult mysteries of the Orient, was of the opinion  that it was something more than spiritualistic phenomena. He said that Madam Y was possessed by  priestess of one of the ancient Egyptian temples. The origin of  it was : Madam Y had received from a friend, who had come into possession of an Egyptian mummy, some of the linen swathing with which the muumified was enveloped. From the contact of this cloth of 2000 to 3000 years old, devotion of her whole existence to this occult relation, and twenty years of seclusion from the world, had developed mediumistic powers. The language she spoke was the sacred language of the temples in which she had been instructed. He said the French Orientalist, Jacolliot, had heard her in a similar scene and recognized the ancient language she spoke in temples of India. Mr. Gledstanes is reported by Mr. Sullivan to have remarked that the snake Dr. X had used in restoring Madam Y to life from near death condition had a strange relation to the phenomenon of life and death.

Mr. Sullivan learned from Mr. Gledstanes that Dr. X had given up further exhibitions of the  occult phenomena and powers  having been disgusted with the prejudice and scepticism of the scientific community and their refusal to impartially investigate the same.

This is an interesting case spiritualism transcending its limits and stepping into the domain of magic. In the phenomena features of mediumship are present, in the double life lived by Madam Y, in the subordination of her will to a foreign will, in the way priestess of Egyptian temples did, in the cataleptic condition into which she fell. Elements of magic is seen in the will-power exhibited by Dr. X upon his sensitive, in tracing the mystic circle, evocations, materialization of the flower, seclusion and education of Madam Y, use of wand, creation and use of serpents and evident control of Astral forces.

Such experiments are of value to science but liable to abuse in the hands of the less conscientious practitioners. A true Oriental Kabalists would not recommend their duplication.

What is it that bars scientific community to take up investigation of psychic phenomena ?

It is scepticism and agnostic denial of everything other than the material world and corporeal frame of man-animal. Yet science, in her explorations, meets at every step, with mysteries, which her methods are powerless to resolve. Science is honeycombed with metaphysics which stare her in the face at every turn as her investigations lead her on to the borders of the Occult World which she shrinks from daring to cross over into the vistas of the unknown. Scientists fool themselves in explaining away the occult mysteries by mechanical theories or denying them altogether.
In the next blog, number 5, this peculiar conceited and hypocritical traits of modern western scientists will be commented upon from theosophical perspective. This will be followed by an exposition of some of the astounding occult phenomena which ancient Theurgists produced, which are denied by modern science and denounced by Christian Church as diabolical. It will be shown that fanaticism of Christian Church and of modern scientist are a formidable barrier to advancement of true knowledge and enlightenment.

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          Having a Good Pet Death        
My latest pets column, The Good Good-Bye, has just hit the stands in the July issue of Prevention Magazine. As you'll see, it's about something near and dear: Dealing with the loss of a pet both emotionally, and logistically.

In my 10 years as a veterinary technician, I helped euthanize many animals, including one of my own, so I understand that side of the death experience all too well. What I didn't know until I set out to write this column was what an enormous industry pet death has become: You can get an incredible variety of pet urns and coffins (including lifesized ones), you can have your pet's hair or ashes turned into a diamond, you can cryopreserve your pet in case science catches up with science fiction to make cloning possible (don't count on that one), you can even have your pet freeze dried in a variety of natural positions, so you can keep it with you at home looking frighteningly lifelike. Okay, yeah: Some of it is definitely bizarre. But hey, like I said in my column, if this stuff helps people recover from losing pets, who cares it seems weird to others.

On another note: I've finally arrived in Memphis, where I'm surrounded by boxes and lacking an Internet connection at home. So this blog will continue to be pretty quiet for a while. But more news from The South soon ...
          Cryo-Pet™ Ensures Your Animals Won't Mind Extended Travel        

Worried about how Fluffy will handle being in the cargo hold at 35,000 feet? For just $1,780 you can purchase a Cryo-Pet™ which uses the latest cryonic technology to put your pet into a gentle slumber.

Although the operation of such a device may seem rather daunting, Cryotranz™ hopes that by combining their newest cryo-breakthroughs with eye-appealing design that cryonics will move past the image the industry has of just freezing the heads of the rich and break into the mass consumer world.

How does it work?

On the side of Cryo-Pet™ you’ll find a “Pre-Cryo Preparation Kit” which contains all you need for putting your animal into a suspended state.

First, a breathing nozzle is used to deliver two different chemicals to your animal. One is a drug which will knock your pet out for easy handling, the second is a chemical which enters into the blood stream and begins slowing the metabolism of your animal. The effects only last for about thirty minutes in case you change your mind.

After your animal is asleep, place him or her into the chamber and close the door. A button will light when the door has been locked and his or her metabolism and breathing has stopped. Cryo-Pet™ is then ready to begin the freezing process.

What happens during the freezing process?


Category: Technology
Year: Beyond
Tags: cryogenics, cryo, pet, cryopet, freezing, metabolism, animal, transportation, travel, agent, freeze
          Perusahaan Teknologi Humai Bikin Proyek ‘Menghidupkan’ Manusia dari Kematian        
Perusahaan teknologi Humai yang berbasis di Los Angeles, Amerika Serikat (AS) mengungkap cara “menghidupkan” manusia setelah kematian. Caranya, dengan menerapkan teknologi bionik, nanoteknologi dan intelejensi buatan.



Humai menyatakan pekerjaan yang bermula dari proyek fiksi itu akan jadi proyek ilmiah dalam tempo 30 tahun dari sekarang. Perusahaan teknologi itu sedang bekerja pada sebuah proyek yang akan memungkinkan kesadaran manusia ditransfer ke sebuah tubuh buatan setelah manusia tersebut mengalami kematian.

Menurut Humai, intelejensi buatan dan nanoteknologi bisa berguna untuk menyimpan data gaya percakapan, pola perilaku, proses berpikir dan informasi tentang bagaimana fungsi tubuh. Data itu akan dikodekan menjadi beberapa teknologi sensor, yang akan dibangun menjadi sebuah badan atau tubuh buatan dengan otak manusia yang sudah meninggal.

“Humai adalah perusahaan AI (artificial intelegence/inteljensi buatan) dengan misi untuk membangkitkan kembali setelah kematian. Kami ingin membawa Anda kembali ke kehidupan setelah meninggal,” bunyi keterangan dalam situs resmi perusahaan teknologi Humai.

Humai, yang berbasis di Los Angeles, didanai sepenuhnya oleh CEO dan pendiri perushaan itu, Josh Bocanegra. Bocanegra mengatakan Australia Popular Science, bahwa otak dari orang yang meninggal akan dibekukan menggunakan teknologi cryonics, sehingga ketika teknologi ini sepenuhnya dikembangkan, mereka dapat menanamkan otak ke tubuh buatan.

”Fungsi tubuh buatan akan dikendalikan dengan pikiran Anda dengan mengukur gelombang otak,” katanya yang dilansir Jumat (27/11/2015). ”Soal usia otak, kami akan menggunakan nanoteknologi untuk memperbaiki dan meningkatkan sel.”

Dia tidak menampik jika teknologi itu dinamakan sebagai teknologi kloning.”Kami percaya kami dapat membangkitkan manusia pertama (dari kematian) dalam tempo 30 tahun,” katanya, seperti dikutip Daily Mirror. (Sumber)

          Martinho da Vila        
Caricatura do Martinho da Vila. Acesse o link abaixo, conheça o Glen Batoca Channel e confira a homenagem a esse grande artista no canal livre dos gatoNets e das propagandas com cachorro ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1lMyz1I-WY
          BLACKRAMSTEIN - CRYONICS [ 2016 ]        



Ki !......keur naon lu teh di jero kamar wae…..gw lagi dengerin ph Kai…..ph naon brai……Mario Lanza……hahahaha penyanyi soprano jadul yang suaranya ajubileh dah hooh…..yoi Kai….tumben lu dengerin musik kitu……yah gw jadi pengen tahu aja sekeren apa dia bernyanyi karena si Oma cinta banget ama nih penyanyi jadi yah gw pengen tahu aja sedahsyat apa dia kalau bernyanyi……..jiah dahsyat bro, kalau kau mau yang lebih dashyat nya dengerin metal lah…….ih maaf lain music gw…….gandeng seteh…..eh Kai lu beli dong cd tuh di Sukabumi Music Store, teang si Abah weh !......cd naon Ki ?........band metal tuh ada yang titip ama gw…..band naon Ki ngaranna ?......BLACK RAMSTEIN…….hah apa Ki nama band nya ?.....dasar sia mah geus aki2, BLACK RAMSTEIN…….lah kalau tidak terdengar trus harus bagaimana dong brother ku, lu nya saja yang omongnya kagak jelas kali, kalau ngomong seperti berguman ah kau, tapi kalau kentut kau jelas sekali bro haha…..bagoyyyyy, hayu ka café seteh……siapa takut, lanjut kang……ini Kai cd nya…..harga berapa Ki ?.......40 rebu saja kawan…….siap bungkus ah……siap Kai, sakalian posterna tah, foto dulu yah Kai, lu pegang cdnya……..siap temanku……ntar lu review yah Kai cdna…..siap kawanku…..band mana ieu Ki ?.......Sukabumi lah Kai……wokeh ntar aku review dah.

Sepenggal cerita di atas hanyalah sebuah jalan bagi ku untuk tahu ( lagi ) sebuah band asal Sukabumi, sebuah percakapan yang kemudian menjadi seru ketika semua pada akhirnya bermuara kepada music, music apapun yang kita bicarakan tetap saja akan terdengar seru. Janji untuk me-review adalah hutang yang harus aku bayar, karena janji harus ditepati walau kadang waktu senggang begitu sulit untuk di cari, tapi kalau sudah bercerita tentang music, sempat tidak sempat semua harus di lakukan. I love music very much. Sekitar seminggu belakangan ini aku terus memasang CD dari band yang satu ini, mau sedang baca buku, membereskan sesuatu atau lagi melamun sekalipun aku mendengarkan cd dari band ini. Dan tentu di waktu tertentu aku juga memegang cover album mereka dengan gambar yang kueren dah bro. Dan yang pasti aku paling suka mendengarkan cd sebuah band dengan di temani oleh acara membuka kemasan dari cd yang lagi aku dengar, duh nga ada duanya itu bro, seru abis.

Dan kawan inilah ceritaku :

Kemasan CD :
1.       1. CD di kemas dalam bentuk Digipack, yang terlihat cukup mantap untuk di pegang, walau jujur saja aku kurang suka dengan kemasan cd dengan bentuk seperti ini, hanya yah mau apa lagi karena itulah kemasan cd yang tersedia. Cover digipack terlihat cukup baik, hanya ketika di buka secara menyeluruh, dan aku lihat bagian sebelah kanan, yang juga merupakan tempat booklet berdiam diri, sepertinya cetakannya terbalik, jadi aku harus memutar posisi 180 derajat untuk bisa membacanya. Dan cd yang aku terima khusus untuk bagian yang merupakan tempat booklet berada terlepas. Cukup mengecewakan.

2.   2. Salah satu factor paling penting dari sebuah cd adalah booklet. Hanya sayang booklet yang aku terima dari cd ini terlihat mengecewakan, booklet terlihat tidak rapi, baik kerapian ukuran maupun pemotongan untuk merapikan booklet ini, di beberapa lembar booklet masih terlihat tanda untuk tempat memotong kertas tersebut. Duh kok begini toh bro.

Yah mungkin sebagian orang akan menilai apalah artinya casing sebuah cd, cara pengepakan cd, booklet sebuah cd atau apapun yang berhubungan dengan kemasan sebuah cd, kemasan sebuah cd adalah juga identitas band itu sendiri, kerapian dan ketelitian sebuah kemasan adalah sebuah hal yang sangat penting untuk sebuah rilisan dari sebuah band dalam sebuah cd.
Nah sekarang ke bagian yang paling seru, walau yah aku sedikit kecewa dengan kemasan cd, namun inilah inti dari sebuah cd……lagunya bro !!!

Ketika pertama kali aku dengar lagu band ini, aku dengar pertama kali di tempat Kiki Assaf, pemilik Analog Café di Sukabumi, dia mendapatkan sebuah cd sampel dari band ini……bagoyyyy naha aing heunteu meunang  wkwkwkw……, FOR THE LIES menghajar suasana kamar, hanya kok aku terkesan biasa saja yah, music metalcore menghantam setiap sudut ruangan, tapi kok tak memberi kesan apapun di hati. Leumpeung weh teu aya nanaon !

Hanya kemudian di sekitar 10 hari yang lalu aku mulai memasang cd band ini di sebuah compo, dan bro  sesuatu telah menghantam telingaku dengan keras, dan aku merasa ingin ber headbanging dengan lagu yang sama ketika aku pertama kali dengar di rumah Kiki. Aku merasakan perbedaan yang begitu jauh antara pertama kali aku dengar lagu FOR THE LIES dengan ketika aku mendengarkannya untuk kedua kali. Itulah music yang sebenarnya.

1.       FOR THE LIES
Ini bukan band biasa bro kalau aku dengar lagu ini, vocal di hantam dengan maksimum di lagu ini, riff gitar begitu sedep buat di dengarkan, lagu ini memang top markotop untuk anda nikmati dengan ber headbanging ! pokoke asik tenan dah. Hanya mungkin suara drum harus lebih di perjelas sedikit biar suaranya lebih terdengar dengan enak.

2.       SILENT ATTACK
Apa yang anda harapkan dari sebuah band metalcore ada di sini bro, dengan vocal yang tetap mumpuni, rasanya kalau bisa di lihat urat tenggorokan akan terlihat kalau sang vokalis sedang menyanyikan lagu, polllll pokoknya ini sang penyanyi salut ah. Dengan riff gitar yang juga uasik dah bro, lagu ini memang seperti judulnya akan menyerang anda dengan kesunyian yang di miliki oleh music metal……Kesunyian ? metal kok sunyi toh ? hahaha renungan bagi anda semua tentang hal itu. Aku mendengar suara drum “agak” lebih baik, hanya suara bas seperti “tenggelam”.

3.       BRING YOU DOWN
Ku bawa kau ke bawah. Musik tetap menggelegar, tetap asik untuk di nikmat oleh telinga yang sudah renta ini, nah di lagu ini aku mendengar suara gitar agak sedikit berbeda, hanya aku sulit menjelaskannya di mana perbedaannya, hanya pokoke suara gitar agak berbeda dari dua lagu yang pertama, dan terkesan lebih “garang”.

4.       TERBIUS SUNYI
Satu-satunya lagu berbahasa Indonesia yang ada di album ini, sedih bro kalau aku rasa, sebuah band asal negara Indonesia, tapi hanya ada sebuah lagu berbahasa negerinya sendiri yang mereka buat, apakah yang menjadi penyebabnya ? aku sendiri nga tahu, hanya yang pasti di hatiku yang aku mau, sebuah band asal Indonesia sebaiknya menyanyikan lagu berbahasa negerinya sendiri lebih banyak daripada lagu dengan berbahasa asing. Tujuannya mungkin untuk dapat lebih di kenal di luar sana, itu menurut aku, tapi kawan, music ini sudah jauh melebihi pikiran sempit tentang bahasa, setiap orang yang kita sebut sebagai metalhead akan menghargai setiap lagu yang mereka dengar tanpa peduli bahasa apa yang mereka dengar, walau merekapun tidak mengerti bahasa dari lagu yang sedang dia dengar tapi di situlah music, mereka akan mencari sendiri arti lagu yang sedang mereka dengan melalui internet dan itulah music. Jadi banggalah dengan bahasa anda sendiri kawan.
Terlepas dari hal bahasa, jujur lagu ini adalah salah satu lagu yang aku cintai dengan pol. Keren bener nih lagu, tak ku dengar ada sesuatu yang kurang di lagu ini, ini lagu pokoke pol asikkkk dah.

5.       BORN TO PERISH
Ah lagu yang juga jadi favoritku, lagu yang bener bener asik mulai dari awal lagu sampai dengan akhir lagu polllll abis dah nih lagu, dan maaf aku nga akan komen kekurangan apapun di lagu ini karena aku rasa memang kagak ada yang harus aku protes. Setiap lagu yang jadi paporit maka maaf aku nga akan lihat kekurangannya.

6.       MEANING OF SILENT
Terngiang di telingaku sebuah musik yang begitu melodius, keras, garang, keren, hanya kembali aku merasakan ada sesuatu yang kurang dari lagu ini, walau aku telah mengulang lagu ini beberapa kali, “sound” lagu terdengar kurang sempurna, menurut aku ya, ada bagian di mana gitar dan drum terdengar seperti “mendem”, terdengar seperti suaranya di beukeum oleh sesuatu, apa mungkin di tune kurang tinggi atau gimana, hanya perasaanku ketika mendengarkan lagu ini adalah seperti itu.

7.       IN HELL BURIED
Ouch lagu nan kelam bro, satu lagu lagi yang keren di telingaku, di awali oleh sesuatu yang begitu kelam selanjutnya tetap tegas menghantam telinga, aje gile keren ini lagu yang pasti aku suka dengan lagu ini walau bukan masuk dalam kategori favorit tapi aku cinta lagu ini, keren dah pokoknya.

8.       CRYONICS
Anda bayangkan sebuah band, bermain di hadapan anda dengan sebuah semangat yang menggebu, setiap isi hati anggota band di isi dengan kemarahan dan kebencian pol, selanjutnya isi hati ini masuk ke dalam aliran darah mereka dengan kecepatan cahaya, menghantam setiap saraf yang di lewatinya, lalu tak lama kemudian sang darah di pompa ke seluruh bagian tubuh para anggota band tanpa segan, untuk kemudian setiap anggota band ini mulai mengeluarkan setiap isi hati mereka dengan kemarahan dan kebencian tadi melalui berbagai alat music yang mereka pegang dan kawan apa hasil yang akan anda dengar selanjutnya……..fucking blasting gigantic musick.

9.       PAIN
Setelah menikmati lagu yang sangat edun di nomor 8 tadi, kini aku di hantam sebuah lagu yang aku rasa agak sedikit melambat temponya, dan band ini tampak menginginkan sesuatu yang berbeda dengan lagu ini, jiwa lagu ini agak sedikit melenceng dari kebanyakan lagu yang mereka nyanyikan sebelumnya, hanya saja tetap aku suka lagu ini.

10.   INNER WAR
Ehmmmm sangat old skool kalau aku dengar kawan, hanya saja aku agak sedikit bahagia dengan lagu ini karena band ini kembali ke awal mereka bermain, hanya sedikit karena aku mendengar kalau sound bas gitar di lagu ini agak sedikit “tak terdengar”, sound kurang tebal bro. Rasanya kalau sound bas lebih di tonjolkan sedikit maka mungkin lagu ini akan menjadi sangat ciamik.

11.   MY TEARS HAS DRIED
Album ini akan berakhir, lagu pangais bungsu sudah aku dengar dan hasilnya wadaw edun lagu ini, keren abis, dan maaf lagu satu ini masuk dalam kategori paporit aku, jadi segila apa lagu ini silahkan anda simak sendiri. Yang pasti aku suka lagu ini pol brutalllllll !

12.   ANTI FAREWELL
Uh lagu terakhir cui, rasanya baru saja awali denger cd band ini, eh sudah di penghujung lagu, dan lagunya…..mantap kawan, lagu ini memang asik buat di nikmati terlepas apa ada kekurangan atau nga yang pasti lagu ini dapat di jadikan sebuah klimaks dari sebuah band yang aku rasa memiliki semua yang perlu untuk menjadi musisi. Ciamik dah !


Yah itu adalah penilaian ku untuk band ini dengan album ini, tentu yang aku nilai adalah penilaian ku sendiri, dan jujur dalam isi otakku yang telah tua ini, TIDAK ada sebuah lagu pun yang jelek atau kurang baik, atau butut atau apapun yang berkesan negative, setiap pendengar memiliki penilaiannya masing – masing, dan setiap lagu di buat dengan semua semangat, darah, keringat dan tentu yang penting di buat dengan kejujuran dalam hati. Jadi penghargaan aku untuk album ini adalah bahwa album ini dapat menjadi salah satu album yang patut untuk anda koleksi kawan, dari lagu pertama sampai terakhir pokoknya anda akan dan selalu mau ber headbanging ria, polllll abis asiknya, silahkan anda dengar dah di jamin anda akan tahu maksud perkataanku. Just headbangin’ your fucking head with this band. Band ini memang band yang berbahaya bagi band manapun, ke depan semoga band ini tambah sukses dan terus maju, dan bro jangan lupa untuk memperbanyak lagu ber bahasa Indonesia yo. Please.

Dan penghargaan terbesar bagi sebuah band adalah dengan membeli cd original dari band tersebut. Itu saja !


Maaf jika ada kata yang kurang berkenan atau menyinggung anda, tak ada maksud saya untuk itu, yang ada hanyalah seorang metalhead tua yang masih cinta music cadas nan bising dan cinta untuk ber headbanging ria.




          Eliezer Yudkowsky Facts        
Submitted by steven0461 • 126 votes • 291 comments
  • Eliezer Yudkowsky was once attacked by a Moebius strip. He beat it to death with the other side, non-violently.
  • Inside Eliezer Yudkowsky's pineal gland is not an immortal soul, but another brain.
  • Eliezer Yudkowsky's favorite food is printouts of Rice's theorem.
  • Eliezer Yudkowsky's favorite fighting technique is a roundhouse dustspeck to the face.
  • Eliezer Yudkowsky once brought peace to the Middle East from inside a freight container, through a straw.
  • Eliezer Yudkowsky once held up a sheet of paper and said, "A blank map does not correspond to a blank territory". It was thus that the universe was created.
  • If you dial Chaitin's Omega, you get Eliezer Yudkowsky on the phone.
  • Unless otherwise specified, Eliezer Yudkowsky knows everything that he isn't telling you.
  • Somewhere deep in the microtubules inside an out-of-the-way neuron somewhere in the basal ganglia of Eliezer Yudkowsky's brain, there is a little XML tag that says awesome.
  • Eliezer Yudkowsky is the Muhammad Ali of one-boxing.
  • Eliezer Yudkowsky is a 1400 year old avatar of the Aztec god Aixitl.
  • The game of "Go" was abbreviated from "Go Home, For You Cannot Defeat Eliezer Yudkowsky".
  • When Eliezer Yudkowsky gets bored, he pinches his mouth shut at the 1/3 and 2/3 points and pretends to be a General Systems Vehicle holding a conversation among itselves. On several occasions he has managed to fool bystanders.
  • Eliezer Yudkowsky has a swiss army knife that has folded into it a corkscrew, a pair of scissors, an instance of AIXI which Eliezer once beat at tic tac toe, an identical swiss army knife, and Douglas Hofstadter.
  • If I am ignorant about a phenomenon, that is not a fact about the phenomenon; it just means I am not Eliezer Yudkowsky.
  • Eliezer Yudkowsky has no need for induction or deduction. He has perfected the undiluted master art of duction.
  • There was no ice age. Eliezer Yudkowsky just persuaded the planet to sign up for cryonics.
  • There is no spacetime symmetry. Eliezer Yudkowsky just sometimes holds the territory upside down, and he doesn't care.
  • Eliezer Yudkowsky has no need for doctors. He has implemented a Universal Curing Machine in a system made out of five marbles, three pieces of plastic, and some of MacGyver's fingernail clippings.
  • Before Bruce Schneier goes to sleep, he scans his computer for uploaded copies of Eliezer Yudkowsky.

If you know more Eliezer Yudkowsky facts, post them in the comments.

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          Zelda BotW: Graphical oddity with Cryonis blocks        

Erm, has anyone noted weird graphical stuff going on in the Cryonis ice blocks?

I was in the shrine next to Dueling Peaks Stable. I noticed some weird minor “flickering“ coming from a block, and at first I just assumed it was normal (given it's bright/ sparkly nature). But upon further examination, I noticed that I could actually see what almost looked like a “pencil rub“ of part of the games HUD (Button icons with what appeared to be “Climb Up/ Down“, etc) on the part of the screen lined up with the block. This was mostly when zooming in to the point that the ice block was near the bottom of the screen. There was some other “artifacting“ around the HUD-thing, and I think it may have shown up at other angles (but without the “ghost HUD“).

When I exited the the shrine, I decided to test it on the surrounding water. At first, I don't think I saw anything, but I did see it after a minute or two of examining it. Maybe it doesn't appear instantly...

I'd like to think it's just an oddity they haven't addressed. I haven't noticed anything else out of place.


          lessdazed on The $125,000 Summer Singularity Challenge        

          ADC #212: La cryonie du maitre Yogi        
Dans ce #212, en compagnie de Mister D, on parle Cryonie et relaxation méditative.
          å¼€å¹•å¼+比赛        

  12月份的校运会,连续三天天气不好,阴冷潮湿,没拍到什么

  ä»Šå¤©çœ‹äº†å‡ å°æ—¶æ ¼èŽ±ç¾Žï¼Œç´¯æ­»æˆ‘了

Zac Brown Band 获得 the best new artist

去找了找,这首Chicken Fried蛮好听~

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

放这张的原因是……这里面竟然有罡罡~!开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

国旗手,荣耀啊~

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

我们坐的位置一点都不好

主席台那边的人看得热情高涨

偏僻的我们只能无聊发呆

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

哇,着火了~~

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

哇,冒烟了~!

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

五彩缤纷  

麋鹿载着圣诞老人悠哉地经过

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

各学院方阵都有自己的特色

这个帆船的方阵让我想起奥运开幕式的赛龙舟

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

大运会志愿者标志,很可爱

就是钰莹说的小气球,此照片送给你,哈哈

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

气球被带到场中

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

气球竟然被放了

它后来的命运究竟如何?

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

全场都站好了,很大的场面

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

法院的独角兽哦~  

大学的校运会真的很没激情

当时的人走的走,散的散,而我习惯留在最后等一切结束

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开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

实心球

 

几张跳高:

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好像悬浮在空中了

几张鸳鸯绑腿= =+

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

外院的鸳鸯绑腿团队

此照片献给大虾,你这张照的好~快拿去~

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

哈哈,我们宪法学的叶海波老师,手插口袋,仿佛事不关己地在练习

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

纠结的鸳鸯绑腿。。

为什么我好像只看到了   苦命鸳鸯

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

法学院的党委书记,还是副书记?

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

在看鸳鸯绑腿的人们,中间的人是Jerry,呵呵~

他们的表情很有意思

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

赢了的小组,互相鼓舞,欢呼

几张铅球:

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

 

跳远:

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

未跳之前的人们

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

开始跳远,都举起了相机

他们成了我的风景

 

开幕式+比赛 - Wing.Lee - 为了双吉他弹奏

其实所有照片中我最喜欢这张

担架出动,很能侧面反映出比赛的激烈情况

不过真实的情况是这样的:有人骑电动车出事了

 

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          cry on my shoulder -dsds 群星合唱        

一见钟情的歌曲 深情的曲调,深情的嗓音,歌词写得好让人心暖,旋律也很鼓舞人,不过好像不想哭的人也会被歌感动哭了

原唱:Bonnie Raitt
      Gary Barlow

现在最流行的合唱版本是deutschland. sucht den superstar 的群星合唱。

deutschland sucht den superstar简称dsds,是一个来自德国的超级海选赛事的名称,德国寻找超级明星的意思,由德国rtl电视台主办,到目前为止dsds共发行了4张专辑,分别为《we have a dream》《united》《magic of music》和《love songs》。这首cry on my shoulder是今年发行的《love songs》里的歌.

Cry On My Shoulder 介绍
英文歌《Cry On My Shoulder》由德国选秀节目的

歌手们共同演绎,离别的时刻总有一些感伤,

但是不要忘了当你无助的时候,来我的肩膀哭泣 ,

我会在你身边,依旧用爱与你分享。

 


在我肩上哭泣

Cry on my shoulder 

If the hero never comes to you 
If you need someone you"re feeling blue 
If you"re away from love and you"re alone 
If you call your friends and nobody"s home 
You can run away but you can"t hide 
Through a storm and through a lonely night 
Then I show you there"s a destiny 
The best things in life 
They"re free 

But if you wanna cry 
Cry on my shoulder 
If you need someone who cares for you 
If you"re feeling sad your heart gets colder 
Yes I show you what real love can do 

If your sky is grey oh let me know 
There"s a place in heaven where we"ll go 
If heaven is a million years away 
Oh just call me and I make your day 
When the nights are getting cold and blue 
When the days are getting hard for you 
I will always stay here by your side 
I promise you I"ll never hide 

What real love can do 
What love can do 
What real love can do 
What love can do 
What real love can do 
What love can do 



如果你的真命天子总是与你擦肩而过 
如果你感到悲伤抑郁 
如果你需要一个依靠的肩膀, 

如果你独自一人没有爱情的滋润 
当你找寻你的朋友却无人在家守候 

在暴风雨来临的孤独夜晚 
你可以大步跑开但你不能逃避 

那么我告诉你 一切都是命中注定 
生活中的美好是上天慷慨的赠与 

但如果你要哭泣 
我给你一个温暖的肩膀 
如果你需要别人的关怀 
如果你感到忧伤你的心也逐渐冰凉 
我可以让你感受到真正的爱情 

如果你的天空是灰色 请告诉我 
在遥远的天堂 
一定有属于我们的某个地方 
只要你愿意 我能让你的人生充满色彩 
当夜晚渐渐寒冷渐渐变得令人忧郁 
当生活变得更加艰辛 
我会一直陪在你的身边 
我保证永远不会隐藏我的真爱 
让爱指引前路

 

音频下载地址 - cryonmyshoulder

上一篇 -sing for the moment -eminem(艾米纳姆)


          15 Hewan TerUnik        
1. Raja Heriang


Burung Heriang biasanya terlihat sebagai burung yang hitam, jelek dan membosankan. Namun, Raja Heriang adalah hewan yang berwarna-warni.Tubuhnya berwarna putih di bagian atas dan putih di bagian bawah, sementara kepalanya ditutupi berbagai warna mulai dari merah, oranye dan kuning sampai biru dan ungu. Ia juga punya pial di kepalanya. Heriang tidak punya pangkal tenggorokan tetapi mereka masih bisa mengeluarkan suara keras. Menurut mitologi Smuku Maya, burung ini merupakan penyampai pesan dari Tuhan.


2. Kepiting Laba-laba Jepang

Artropoda terbesar di dunia, kepiting besar ini mempunyai kaki yang panjangnya bisa mencapai 4 meter (13 kaku) dan beratnya 20 kilogram (44 pound). Mereka juga bisa hidup ribuan tahun.


3. Laba-laba Laut


Hewan yang bentuknya seperti laba-laba ini tinggal di kedalaman yang berbeda-beda di laut. Karakteristik yang paling menonjol selain tempat tinggalnya adalah kakinya yang besar (kalau dibandingkan dengan badannya). Mereka tidak memiliki sistem respirasi, tapi menggunakan difusi untuk bertahan hidup. Yang terbesar dari jenis ini adalah spesies Colossendeis colossea.


4. Kalajengking Cambuk


Arakhnida menakutkan ini memiliki pedipalus (penjepit) besar dan “cambuk” di tepi perut mereka. Yang lebih menakutkan adalah, hewan ini dapat menyemprotkan berbagai cairan kimia dari perut mereka, termasuk asam semut (asam formiat) (CH2O2), klorin dan campuran asam asetat (C2H4O2) dan asam oktanoic (C8H16O2), tergantung dari spesies mereka. Semprotan terakhir mereka baunya seperti cuka, karena itulah mereka juga disebut “Vinegarroons”. Hewan serupa yang termasuk kalajengking cambuk (juga dikenal dengan sebutan kalajengking cambuk tanpa ekor) dan kalajengking cambuk mikro.

5. Lele Terbalik

Seperti namanya, ikan dari Afrika ini seringkali ditemukan berenang dalam keadaan terbalik. Diperkirakan mereka melakukan hal ini agar mereka dapat menjangkau makanan di permukaan air, seperti telur serangga. Warna tubuh mereka juga terbalik, tidak seperti kebanyakan ikan, perut mereka lebih gelap dari bagian atas tubuh mereka. Hal ini berguna untuk kamuflasi saat menghadapi pemangsa di atas. Mereka adalah ikan peliharaan populer dan mungkin saja dalam waktu dekat dijual di pet shop setempat.

6. Beruang Air

Hewan kecil yang seperti ulat ini adalah salah satu makhluk hidup terhebat yang pernah ada. Mereka dapat hidup hampir di mana saja, mulai dari sumber air panas hingga daerah kutub. Hebatnya lagi, mereka dapat masuk ke cryonic state (keadaan temperatur sangat rendah) yang membuat mereka hampir sepenuhnya kebal dari kerusakan lingkungan. Mereka dapat bertahan hidup di suhu lebih dari 150 derajat Celcius dan bahkan mendekati suhu nol mutlak. Mereka dapat menahan tekanan besar, radiasi dan bahkan ruang hampa udara. Paling banyak ditemukan di lumut dan tempat-tempat basah lainnya.


7. Ngengat Vampir


Tidak semua kupu-kupu dan ngengat minum nektar, ngengat vampir kenyataannya minum darah. Hal ini dilakukan dengan menggunakan belalainya yang menembus kulit dan meminum darah targetnya. Dan, ya, mereka kadang-kadang menggigit manusia. Untungnya mereka tidak menyebabkan penyakit. Hanya jantan yang menggigit.

8. Megalopyge Opercularis


Ngengat jenis ini berbulu banyak, apalagi sebagai ulat. Terkenal dengan beberapa sebutan, seperti ngengat kucing/ ulat kucing, ngengat flanel selatan, dan ulat berbisa, ngengat ini lebih mirip dengan kucing Persia daripada ulat. Mereka mungkin terlihat lucu tapi JANGAN pernah menyentuhnya. Seperti kebanyakan ulat, serangga kecil ini memiliki sistem pertahanan: rambut mereka sebenarnya duri beracun. Menyentuhnya tidak akan membunuh, tapi akan melukai dan menyebabkan bekas. Pertolongan pertama sebaiknya dilakukan jika secara tidak sengaja menyentuh ulat ini. Mereka menggunakan bulu mereka sebagai kepompong.

9. Kumbang Penggerek Jerapah

Seperti yang dikira, kumbang penggerek ini memiliki leher yang panjang dan ramping (hanya jantan yang punya). Leher yang panjang ini membantu si kumbang penggerek untuk membangun sarangnya. Mereka juga berwarna-warni, sebagian besar tubuhnya berwarna hitam dan merah.


10. Paus Sperma Kerdil


Paus Sperma adalah hewan yang tangguh. Mereka adalah hewan dengan gigi terbesar, menyelam ke kedalaman yang luar biasa dan dikenal pemangsa cumi-cumi besar. Namun, spesies ini adalah yang terkecil dari ukan paus. Panjangnya tidak lebih besar dari tubuh manusia dewasa. Hewan ini dapat mengeluarkan zat kemerahan untuk mengusir predator (yang juga bisa dilakukan oleh spesies yang sama, paus sperma kerdil).

11. Cnemidophorus Uniparens

Kadal ini mungkin terlihat biasa dari luar, tapi setelah ditelaah lebih dalam, sebuah fakta mengejutkan terungkap: di beberapa spesies, seperti New Mexico Whiptail, seluruhnya adalah betina. Mereka mengalami Partenogenesis, yang merupakan pembuahan embrio tanpa jantan untuk menghasilkan keturunan. Meskipun demikian, kadal ini masih butuh “kimpoi” untuk meningkatkan kesuburan.

12. Andean Cock-of-the-rock

Betina dari spesies burung ini sebenarnya cukup normal, tetapi jantannya memiliki kepala aneh yang terlihat besar, merah/oranye dan menonjol. Bulunya berwarna merah/oranye di bagian depan, hitam di bawah dan sedikit keabuan. Mereka adalah burung nasional dari Peru.

13. Umang-umang Kelapa

Artropoda terbesar yang hidup didaratan (berat mencapai 4,1 kilogram), umang-umang ini dikenal suka memanjat pohon kelapa dan memakan buahnya. Tidak seperti umang-umang lainnya, hanya anak-anak yang memakai tempurung kulit. Yang lebih tua biasanya memakai tempurung kelapa. Warna mereka berwarna-warni, seperti oranye dan biru. Mereka dirumorkan suka mencuri benda berkilau.

14. Katak Berambut

Katak afrika ini mendapatkan namanya dari struktur kulit samping yang mirip rambut pada jantan. Rambut ini digunakan untuk meningkatkan laju si katak menyerap oksigen, karena jantan menghabiskan waktu yang lama untuk menjaga telurnya. Fakta mengesankan lain dari katak ini adalah mereka memiliki cakar yang bisa ditarik keluar yang terbuat dari tulang (sebagai lawam keratin). Namun, untuk mengeluarkan cakar ini, katak harus mematahkan tulang bintil terlebih dahulu.

15. Ikan Barreleye

Keberadaannya sebenarnya sudah teridentifikasi sejak tahun 1939. Namun, itu hanya dari spesimen yang telah mati. Ikan yang terlihat dalam foto tersebut berukuran panjang sekitar 15 sentimeter. Para peneliti dari Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute (MBARI) memotretnya di perairan dalam dekat pantai tengah California. Ini adalah satu-satunya spesies ikan yang punya keunikan tersebut. Walaupun memiliki dua tonjolan di kepalanya, itu BUKAN mata. Matanya adalah dua bola hijau transparan di dalam kepalanya. Mata ini dapat digunakan untuk mencari makanan di atas atau melihat kedepan ketika memburu mangsanya.
          ÐŸÐ¾Ð´ Донецком армагеддон        

На окраинах города пожары: «Нечем дышать»

Под Марьинкой около 4 утра вследствие разрыва одного из наших орудий погибли двое и ранены пятеро украинских военных – об этом сообщил пресс-центра АТО в вчечерней сводке за первые 18 часов 8 августа, информирует "Реал".

Любопытно, что местные жители еще утром сообщали об интенсивной бойне с 4 до 4:30 под Донецком в районе Марьинки, а боец АТО «Старшина» еще тогда сообщил об этих потерях.

Теперь вот командир стоящего под Марьинкой батальона ВСУ «Донбасс» Филин корит себя: «…Не доучил… Не внушил… Не вдолбил…»

Как бы там ни было, поздним вечером под Донецком жуткая бойня. В городском парке Путиловская роща на северо-западе города, где расположены постоянные огневые точки ДНР, сильные пожары. Сообщают местные жители в соцсетях:

«Донецк. ЖД. 19:09. Почало дуже активно греміти на межі гучности....але стає ближче. Важке».

«19:20. Донецк. Путиловка, бахает сильно, слышны автоматы».

«1-ая Площадка, слушаем громко и не далеко».

«Донецк. Магистральный слушает тяжелое».

«Донецк. 19-25. Ветка. Интенсивность боевых действий возросла, слышно всякое».

«Авдеевка. После 19 часов гремит и постреливает в стороне промзоны и леса. 19-32».

«19:45. Донецк. Киевский. Минут 25 уже гремит север: залпы тяжелого, то ближе, то дальше, что-то полегче, стрелковое».

«20.05. Донецк. Север гремит. В стороне Ясиноватского поста черный дым».

«Донецк. Сторона ДАП периодически отзывается сполохами бахов».

«Марьинка. 20:10 - бахи, стрельба, не особо интенсивно, но громко».

«20.25. Донецк. Север начал отгружать тяжелым с поддержкой ЗУ-2 в районе ЯБП».

«20:30. Донецк. Киевский р-н, Засядько. Севернее Аэропорта продолжают гупать. Стали ближе и громче».

«20:35. Донецк. Путиловка. Слушаем. Весь дым от пожара пошел на нас...»

«Донецк. Жилплощадка. Слушаем вдали тяжелое».

«20:40. Путиловка. Горит лес, все в дыму, нечем дышать».

«Донецк. Абакумова, 20:42. Слышим отдаленный грохот почти постоянно (север, северо-восток) и периодически какую-то более мелкокалиберную возню неподалеку».

«Донецьк. ЖД. 21:09 бiй в далені так і продовжується. Інтенсивність трошки впала, але арта все рівно шмалить методійно постійно».

«Донецк. 21-10. Север, направление ЯБП, война продолжается, тяжелое присутствует».

«21:13. Жёсткие залпы с района Ясиноватского блокпоста».

«22.00. Донецк. В путиловскую рощу видимо ответ прилетел, горит не слабо, в Калининском видно».

Фронтовой волонтер Ксения Быкова тоже пишет, что ситуация на фронте тяжелая. Особенно в Марьинке, но не только там:


          Cryonics Survey        

Melanie Swan is doing a cryonics survey for members of existing cryonics organizations and supporters for an upcoming scholarly publication. It takes around 15 minutes to complete. If you are interested in taking the survey, click on the following link: Cryonics Survey

The post Cryonics Survey appeared first on Alcor News.


          Link Roundup 3/5        

In January we celebrated the cryopreservation of the first person, James Bedford, who remains preserved at Alcor today. Several publications covered the milestone, and of course Alcor has written extensively about Bedford as well. Bedford became an Alcor patient in 1991. Southern Cryonics is getting ready to break ground on a new cryonics facility in […]

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          Link Roundup 1/6        

Wait But Why, April 2016, “Why Cryonics Makes Sense” – This is probably now the most read piece in history about the pros and cons of cryonics. It was republished with permission in our magazine. Eight months later, our website still gets decent traffic from this article, and no link roundup would be complete without […]

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          Cryonics Survey        

Melanie Swan is doing a cryonics survey for members of existing cryonics organizations and supporters for an upcoming scholarly publication. It takes around 15 minutes to complete. If you are interested in taking the survey, click on the following link: Cryonics Survey

The post Cryonics Survey appeared first on Alcor News.


          Link Roundup 3/5        

In January we celebrated the cryopreservation of the first person, James Bedford, who remains preserved at Alcor today. Several publications covered the milestone, and of course Alcor has written extensively about Bedford as well. Bedford became an Alcor patient in 1991. Southern Cryonics is getting ready to break ground on a new cryonics facility in […]

The post Link Roundup 3/5 appeared first on Alcor News.


          Link Roundup 1/6        

Wait But Why, April 2016, “Why Cryonics Makes Sense” – This is probably now the most read piece in history about the pros and cons of cryonics. It was republished with permission in our magazine. Eight months later, our website still gets decent traffic from this article, and no link roundup would be complete without […]

The post Link Roundup 1/6 appeared first on Alcor News.


          Improving Alcor’s Capabilities        

In February 2009 Alcor initiated an ambitious and coordinated effort to improve its training, stabilization, and cryopreservation capabilities. Alcor’s new Transport Coordinator and paramedic Aaron Drake is undergoing thorough education about the objectives and technologies of cryonics. Aaron will also play an important part in Alcor’s national training program. An innovative questionnaire is being created […]

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          Transhumanisten in Soorten en Smaken.        

Transhumanisme is mainstream geworden.

In den beginne had je het Extropy-Institute. Toen ik mij aansloot bij dit instituut, ca 1997/98, was het een gezelschap met een zeer hoogwaardige mailinglist. In Nederland was toen Transcedo in oprichting, transhumanisme met een Nederlandse couleur locale. Een klein groepje van zes leden, die eens per maand op het centraal station in Utrecht bij elkaar kwamen om te discussiëren over zaken waarvan iedereen indertijd dacht dat het sciencefiction was, maar waarvan sommige inmiddels gerealiseerd zijn en de meeste andere zodanig binnen bereik liggen dat vrijwel niemand meer twijfelt aan de toekomstige mogelijkheid ervan.

Grootste wapenfeit van Transcedo: het organiseren in 1998 van de eerste Transvision: de bijeenkomst van Europese Transhumanisten, in Weesp. Een initiatief dat daarna jaarlijks herhaald werd in repectievelijk Stockholm (1999), Londen (2000) en Berlijn (2001), waarna in 2002 Nederland weer aan de beurt had moeten zijn.
We kregen het in dat jaar echter niet meer voor elkaar. Waarom niet? Iedereen gaf inmiddels zijn eigen invulling aan het begrip transhumanisme en daarmee aan hoe zo'n symposium ingevuld zou moeten worden. Transcedo bestaat inmiddels eigenlijk alleen nog in naam; de leden die cryogene suspensie als de belangrijkste activiteit van Transcedo zagen, hebben een nieuwe vereniging opgericht, de DCO (Dutch Cryonics Organisation).

Inmiddels zijn er meerdere verenigingen en organisaties opgericht met een min of meer transhumanistische doelstelling en, door het veranderen van het karakter van het internet, vinden de meeste activiteiten plaats via Facebook en Google+, al zijn er natuurlijk nog steeds websites. Zoals bijvoorbeeld deze :-), al wordt hij dan ook onregelmatig bijgehouden :-( want, zoals gezegd, het meeste nieuws - als dat er al is - wordt gebracht via de social media.

Bij gebrek aan nieuws worden er dan wel eens stukjes geschreven (en gerecycled!) die misschien wat meer navelstaarderig zijn, zoals deze: "Transhumanism: there are [at least] ten different philosophical categories; which one(s) are you?" door Hank Pellissier op het forum van het Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies. Pellissier onderscheidt tien soorten transhumanisme en wel:

    Extropianism
    Singularitarianism
    The Hedonistic Imperative
    Democratic Transhumanism
    Survivalist Transhumanism
    Libertarian Transhumanism
    Religious Transhumanism
    Cosmopolitan Transhumanism
    Cosmism

en

    Anarcho-Transhumanism

Uiteraard wordt in het artikel uitgelegd welk label voor welk type transhumanist staat, maar om de zaak overzichtelijk te houden zijn er mengvormen.
Pellissier daagt de lezer dan ook uit kleur te bekennen en op het forum aan te geven welk type transhumanist hij of zij is en, interessant dit te doen aan de hand van een Pie-Chart, die je hier kunt maken.

In 2004 heb ik mijn positie binnen het transhumanisme al eens bepaald; voor het grootste gedeelte gebaseerd op de toen al verouderde principes van het Extropy-Institute. Maar goed, ik heb ook zo'n pie-chart gemaakt en ik kwam er, niet geheel tot mijn verbazing achter, dat mijn ideeën de laatste jaren wat zijn gaan verschuiven, je ontwikkelt je natuurlijk, en het zou zomaar kunnen dat deze chart over vijf jaar, vijf maanden of zelfs over vijf dagen al niet meer klopt.

Goed, op het gevaar af dat ik erop vastgepind ga worden, is hier mijn pie-chart.

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          Religion and Transhumanism: The Unknown Future of Human Enhancement        

Een nieuw boek over transhumanisme komt binnenkort uit: "Religion and Transhumanism. The Unknown Future of Human Enhancement".
Een fraaie cover van een biddende post-human:

die gelijk ook een ernstige vraag opwerpt: religie en transhumanisme, is dat niet in tegenspraak met elkaar?

Sebastian Seung, schreef in 2013 het boek "Connectome: how the brain’s wiring makes us who we are". Zo'n beetje de Amerikaanse tegenhanger van Dick Swaab's "Wij zijn ons brein". In tegenstelling tot Swaab staat Seung niet helemaal afwijzend tegenover cryonics en bespreekt in hoofdstuk 14 van zijn boek de kansen voor het slagen van cryogene suspensie als zijn model van het brein klopt. Dat is de reden dat het boek door veel transhumanisten gelezen is. Het boek eindigt min of meer (er volgt nog een epiloog) met de volgende bijzondere uitspraak:

The bible said that God made man in his own image. The German philosopher Ludwig Feuerbach said that man made God in his own image. The transhumanists say that humanity will make itself into God.

Zoals uit de tagline van deze website (een citaat uit "Don Juan und Faust" van Christian Dietrich Grabbe) blijkt, is dat ook hoe ik het transhumanisme interpreteer.

De uitgever rechtvaardigt het boek als volgt:

"Transhumanism" or "human enhancement" is an intellectual and cultural movement that advocates the use of emerging technologies to change human traits. Although they may sound like science fiction, the possibilities suggested by transhumanism are very real, and the questions they raise have no easy answers. If these enhancements—especially major ones like the indefinite extension of healthy human life—become widely available, they would arguably have a more radical impact on humankind than any other development in history.

This book comprises essays that explore transhumanism and the issues that surround it, addressing numerous fascinating questions posed by scholars of religion from various traditions. How will "immortality" or extreme longevity change our religious beliefs and practices? How might phamaceuticals enhance spiritual experiences? Will "post-human" technologies be available to all persons, or will a superior "post-human race" arise to dominate the human species? The discussions are as intriguing as the future they suggest.

De redacteurs van "Religion and Transhumanism", Calvin Mercer, "professor of religion" en Tracy J. Trothen, "associate professor of ethics and theology" hebben duidelijk het accent gelegd op de ethische kant van het transhumanisme:

Should technology be used to improve human facilities such as cognition and longevity? This thought-provoking dialogue between "transhumanism" and religion examines enhancement technologies that could radically alter the human species.

Gaap. Die discussies zijn inmiddels al heel vaak gevoerd en op zijn minst doet het boek ongeveer hetzelfde als het op deze website eerder besproken boek Human Being @ Risk van Mark Coeckelbergh, behalve dat "Religion and Transhumanism" door meerdere auteurs bij elkaar is geschreven, waaronder Anders Sandberg, dus mijn hoop is dat dit boek daar iets nieuws aan gaat toevoegen, mogelijk - maar het boek moet nog uitkomen, dus ik moet het nog lezen - in ieder geval meer een "dialogue" gaat opleveren.
Het boek is ook iets aangenamer geprijsd: € 46 voor 472 pagina's, en verschijnt in november 2014.

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          Haul - WEGO        



Few weeks ago I made my first order on WEGO. 
WEGO is a famous brand in Japan. Their collections match with the current trend, and that's why I've found plenty of things to buy there! 
I bought a shirt and accessories. I've used a shopping service (Zenmarket) to place my order on Zozotown (I'm so scared of taxes haha), which was a little more expensive than if I had use Zozotown usual shipping service. Though it was rather cheap, and shipping was quite fast! 

J'ai fait ma toute première commande chez la marque WEGO.
WEGO est une marque extrêmement connue au Japon.
Leurs collections répondent aux critères des tendances actuelles, c'est pourquoi j'ai pu y trouver mon bonheur !
J'ai commandé un tee-shirt et des accessoires. Pour la commande j'ai utilisé un intermédiaire (Zenmarket) pour commander sur Zozotown (trop peur des douanes) ce qui m'a fait une petite commission en plus mais au final, je m'en suis tiré pour pas grand chose : Le paquet est arrivé plutôt vite!





Chisato Yoshiki collaboration tee-shirt


It's been a while since I was lurking on casual, simple yet cute shirts, so when I saw this top for sale, I threw it in my bag ! 
As expected it's a casual tank yop with side frills as I like them, and small roses under the collar. It was produced by Chisa Yoshiki, a famous Ranzuki model.

Cela fait un moment que voulais des tee-shirts simples, j'ai donc sauté sur l'occasion quand j'ai vu que ce top était en promo sur le site ! C'est un tee-shirt simple avec des volants sur les côtés (comme j'aime ♥) et des petites roses sous le col. Il fait parti d'une collection produite par Chisato Yoshiki, mannequin phare du magazine Ranzuki.




It exactly looks like as expected ! Fabric is not bad and it's opaque. This is a M size and is perfect for me.

Il est vraiment identique à la photo ! Le tissus n'est pas de mauvaise qualité et il n'est pas transparent. J'ai pris une taille M et il convient très bien à ma morphologie !

Hearts choker 


I've seen this design a lot lately, especially the E Hyphen one, I like it so much!

Ce modèle que l'on voit partout en ce moment, notament chez E Hyphen, m'a vraiment séduite !




Fabric seems a bit delicate. It looks like satin by the way, which is pretty. I'm uterly happy to have bought it, for 600 yen also!

La matière semble assez fragile, le tissus est très fin. Il est aussi légèrement satiné ce qui est plutôt joli. Concrètement je suis très contente de l'avoir acheté, surtout pour 600 yen !


LOVE earrings 




WEGO sells trendy accessories with a slightly retro feel I like so much. I've seen similar designs on cheap websites such as ebay or aliexpress, though these one only cost 3 euros !
They are perfect as well for people who don't have pierced ears. 
Once  got them, I could see the difference of quality from photostock to real thing. Finishing is a bit botched, especially the red paint. Though it's cute.
First time I put them on, I forgot to tighten clips and then I almost lost one haha so do not forget to adjust the size before wearing it!

WEGO propose des accessoires en vogue avec une petite touche rétro que j'aime beaucoup. J'avais déjà repéré ce genre de boucles d'oreilles sur des sites cheap type ebay/aliexpress, mais là pour 3 euros, avec une livraison sous deux semaines, c'est le top ! 
Elles sont aussi idéales pour celles qui n'auraient pas les oreilles percées vu que ce sont des fermoirs à clip.
Une fois sous la main, on voit que la qualité n'est pas aussi top que sur la photo stock; les finitions sont un peu baclé au niveau de la "peinture". Mais ça fait son effet.
La première fois que je les ai portées j'avais oublié de resserrer le fermoir, du coup, j'ai failli en perdre une ahah. Donc n'oubliez pas de resserrer les fermois à votre convenance avant !!!!

Big black hearts earrings


I thought this design was pretty nice ! I like their sober yet cranky look (almost like gauges ahaha)

J'ai trouvé ce modèle un peu plus original que les autres. J'aime leur côté à la fois sobre et excentrique (avec leur taille, elles font limite penser à des écarteurs ahah).



Material seems to be acrylic, quite thin, but I don't think they might be easily breakable. I was quite surprised with sizing, rather big, but it's good : at least we can see my earrings ♥

La matière est une sorte d'acrylique, assez fin, mais je ne pense pas qu'elles soient fragiles pour autant. Niveau taille j'ai été un peu surprise mais, une surprise positive : ENFIN des boucles d'oreilles qui se voient ♥

All Night Long brooch


I have so few brooches, though it's a nice accessory piece!

J'ai très peu de broches, pourtant je trouve que ce simple accessoire agrémente complètement une tenue ! 


Kitch and girly, this little rétro heart-shaped brooch looks good with anything. It's made of acrylic and the pink looks more intense than stock picture.

Kitsch et girly, cette broche aux inspirations rétro, avec sa forme en coeur, est super versatile. Elle est en acrylique et le rose est beaucoup plus intense que sur la photo stock (voir fuschia).

Pearls and bows necklace 



This necklace is more sober/classic than my other purchases. I thought it  would look great with Lolia coordinations. Its structure is stiff, so it doesn't distort when worn.

Ce collier est une pièce un peu plus sobre et classique, je me suis dit qu'il s'accroderait bien à des tenues axées Lolita. La structure du collier est rigide, ce qui fait qu'il ne se déforme pas une fois porté.

Ribbon socks 



I wear socks a lot (I now have a full drawer of socks, including casual socks only god, what can I do hahah) so I obviously bought these cute pair, casual yet cute. Bows are located on the side. The socks are quite thick, it's great!

Je porte énormément de chaussettes (j'ai d'ailleurs un tiroir plein à craquer, je ne sais pas comment je vais faire haha) et j'ai naturellement acheté ces jolies chausettes, simples mais avec ce petit noeud en détail qui fait toute la différence! Les noeuds se sittuent sur le côté. La qualité de la chaussette m'a surprise, c'est plutot épais !

I hope this review made you want to buy WEGO items ! Where ever you live, I advice you to order on ZOZOTOWN which is really easy to process in, and where you'll find lot of products on sale!

J'espère que cette review vous aura donné envie d'essayer les produits vendus chez WEGO. Je vous conseille vivement d'utiliser ZOZOTOWN qui est un revendeur très facile d'utilisation, et qui propose un grand nombre d'items en solde !

Kisses

          Book review: To Be A Machine        

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This article is a preview from the Summer 2017 edition of New Humanist. You can find out more and subscribe here.

To Be a Machine (Granta) by Mark O’Connell

Would you pay to freeze your head upon death? Do you long to free your mind from the “meat” that hosts it? Is ageing a disease? And what would you tell your son if he was saving himself for a “sexbot”? It’s fair to assume that you’ve never pondered such things. After all, life’s too short, as any proponent of transhumanism will tell you. But after digesting Mark O’Connell’s adventure amongst its adherents, such questions will overwhelm what a biohacker might call your “wetware”, or what the unenlightened might call the brain. To Be A Machine is a portrait of a movement that believes biology is our keeper, death our great disgrace and technology our redeemer; a “liberation movement”, O’Connell calls it, “predicated on the conviction that we can and should use technology to control the future evolution of our species”. Like a painterly photo of war, it’s a beautiful picture of a dazzling, dangerous thing.

Transhumanists are, we learn, an “overwhelmingly male” bunch. But they are nonetheless diverse. Here we encounter, amongst others, those who yearn to upload the mind; the entrepreneur whose company will cryonically suspend your corpse (or head, for a lesser fee); the “grinders” who seek to augment their bodies through tech; the man holding out for sexbots (because, he says, “a real girl could cheat on you, sleep around. You could get an STD. You could maybe even die”). In sum, it’s a portrait of Silicon Valley on steroids and (mainly) men in pursuit of enhancement. Freud would have had a field day, as, indeed, did O’Connell.

At one point we find the writer aboard the coffin-shaped “Immortality Bus” of then US presidential wannabe Zoltan Istvan, who wants to live for ever and then some. With Istvan’s eerie sidekick, they fear vehicular breakdown and chat about entropy. But the postcard home is perturbing. Like a literary Louis Theroux, O’Connell serves up a compelling, humane portrait of his subject, with a serious side order of raised eyebrows. Istvan’s opinions are shocking. Take, for example, his suggestion that people such as the learning-disabled teenager who once knocked coffee onto his laptop might appreciate being cryonically suspended so as to be given “the prospect of a normal life in the future”.

This view frames the boy, O’Connell observes, as a “broken machine” and seems “a consequence of transhumanism’s extreme instrumentalism”. It’s certainly worth reflecting on the potential endpoint of such a perspective that – as the author elsewhere suggests – seems to regard “human beings [as] devices” with it being “our duty and our destiny to become better versions” of them. What fate, one wonders, could one day await those mere mortals who defy their duty to upgrade? If we fail to be fixable, might we in turn become disposable? Transhumanism, at worst, seems no “live and let live” thing, but a movement that wants to meddle.

Although To Be a Machine prompts us to ponder such things, and whilst its author records clear discomfort with much that he encounters, it is more poetic than polemic, and all the more powerful for it. Its clout is compounded by the fact that O’Connell is undeniably human; he agrees our existence is “suboptimal”, gets awkwardly hugged by a robot (“Peppa”, it is told, “this man would like a hug”), expresses doubt, and travels not on his high horse but by Uber. He also shares tender mammal moments spent with his wife and young son, who asks, “Do mamas and dadas really get old and die?”

Beautifully put, and reassuring too, are his reflections on the paradoxes and ancient echoes found within trans-humanism. As with the story of the fall and original sin, he suggests, it contains that most eternal of desires: that we “might be redeemed of our nature”. Perhaps the whole thing is not so new after all. And all the while, life – and death – goes on. “At time of writing,” O’Connell reports, “we are all of us still going to die.” For now, that may be true, but if you want to live for ever, or upload your mind for posterity, forget transhumanism: you simply need to write a book as good – and human – as this.


          Arran_Stirton on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

Is there anywhere I can find a decent analysis of the effectiveness and feasibility of our current methods of cryonic preservation?

(one that doesn't originate with a cryonics institute)


          gwern on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

Well, that doesn't seem too difficult -

(one that doesn't originate with a cryonics institute)

Oh.

So, who exactly do you expect to be doing this analysis? The most competent candidates are the cryobiologists, and they are ideologically committed to cryonics not working* and have in the past demonstrated their dishonesty**.

* Literally; I understand the bylaw banning any cryonicists from the main cryobiology association is still in effect. ** eg. by claiming on TV cryonics couldn't work because of the 'exploding lysosomes post-death' theory, even after experiments had disproven the theory.


          MartinB on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

Cryonicists have the same incentive to lie. Reading the current article series of Mike Darwin on Chronopause.com makes a good case on how cryonics currently is broken.


          gwern on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

I hope you appreciate the irony of bringing up Darwin's articles on the quality of cryopreservation in the context of someone demanding articles on quality by someone not associated with cryonics institutes.


          MartinB on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

No, since his articles make the case against current cryonics organisations, despite coming from a strong supporter of the idea.


          lsparrish on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

Do you have a specific example of a pro-cryonics lie? Because as far as I can tell, Mike is arguing for incompetence and not dishonesty or ideological bias as the culprit.


          lsparrish on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

Incompetence is at least as bad as dishonesty. Not sure if it can be distinguished.

No! The distinction not only exists but is incredibly important to this context. Incompetence is a problem of an unqualified person doing the job. It can be fixed by many things, e.g. better on-the-job training, better education, or experience. Replacing them with a more qualified candidate is also an option, assuming you can find one.

With a dishonest person, you have a problem of values; they are likely to defect rather than behave superrationally in game-theoretic situations. The only way to deal with that is to keep them out of positions that require trust.

Dishonesty can be used to cover one's tracks when one is incompetent. (Bob Nelson was doing this.) I'm not arguing that incompetence isn't Bayesean evidence for dishonesty -- it is. However, there are plenty of other explanations for incompetence as well: cognitive bias (e.g. near/far bias), lack of relevant experience, personality not suited to the job, extreme difficulty of the job, lack of information and feedback to learn from mistakes, lack of time spent learning the job...

Of all these, why did your mental pattern-matching algorithms choose to privilege dishonesty as likely to be prevalent? Doesn't the fact that there is all this public information about their failings strike you as evidence that they are generally more interested in learning from their mistakes rather than covering their tracks?

I've even seen Max More (Alcor's current CEO) saying positive things about Chronosphere, despite having been personally named and criticized in several of Darwin's articles. The culture surrounding cryonics during the few years I've been observing it actually seems to be one of skeptical reserve and indeed hunger for criticism.

Moreover, the distinction cuts both ways: Multiple cryobiologists who are highly competent in their field have repeatedly made demonstrably false statements about cryonics, and have demonstrated willingness to use political force to silence the opposition. There is no inherent contradiction in the statement that they are competent and dishonest, both capable of doing a good job and willing to refuse to do so. Morality is not the same thing as ability.


          Arran_Stirton on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

So, who exactly do you expect to be doing this analysis?

No idea. Particularly if all cryobiologists are so committed to discrediting cryonics that they'll ignore/distort the relevant science. I'm not sure how banning cryonicists* from the cryobiology association is a bad thing though. Personally I think organisations like the American Psychiatric Association should follow suit and ban all those with financial ties to pharmaceutical companies.

I just want to know how far cryonics needs to go in preventing information-theoretic death in order to allow people to be "brought back to life" and to what extent current cryonics can fulfil that criterion.

* This is assuming that by cryonicists you mean people who work for cryonics institutes or people who support cryonics without having an academic background in cryobiology.


          gwern on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

This is assuming that by cryonicists you mean people who work for cryonics institutes or people who support cryonics without having an academic background in cryobiology.

No.


          Arran_Stirton on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

So the by-law bans anyone sympathetic to cryonics?


          Arran_Stirton on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

Thanks!

I'm starting to suspect that my dream of finding an impartial analysis of cryonics is doomed to be forever unfulfilled...


          David_Gerard on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

There are cryobiologists who are cryonicists, e,g. the authors of this paper.


          gwern on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

The paper does not mention cryonics, nor does the lead author's bio mention being a member of the Society for Cryobiology.


          handoflixue on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

chronopause.com/index.php/2011/02/23/does-personal-identity-survive-cryopreservation/#comment-247

I've been finding ChronoPause.com to be a very insightful blog. I can't speak to the degree of bias of the author, but most of the posts I've read so far have been reasonably well cited.

I found it sort of terrifying to read the case reports he links in that comment - I read 101, 102, and 103, and it largely spoke to this being a distinctly amateur organization that is still running everything on hope and guesswork, not precise engineering/scientific principles.

Case 101 in particular sort of horrifies me for the aspects of preserving someone who committed suicide, without any consent from the individual in question. I can't help but feel that "patient must be held in dry ice for at least two weeks" is also a rather bad sign.

Feel free to read them for yourself and draw your own conclusions - these reports are straight from CI itself, so you can reasonably assume that, if anything, they have a bias towards portraying themselves favorably.


          ciphergoth on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

Only one technical analysis of cryonics which concludes it won't work has ever been written: http://blog.ciphergoth.org/blog/2011/08/04/martinenaite-and-tavenier-cryonics/


          Arran_Stirton on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

Interesting, thanks!

Have you come across any analysis that establishes cryonics as something that prevents information-theoretic death?


          ciphergoth on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

We don't know whether it does or not. The current most in-depth discussion is Scientific Justification of Cryonics Practice


          Turgurth on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

Michaelcurzi's How to avoid dying in a car crash is relevant. Bentarm's comment on that thread makes an excellent point regarding coronary heart disease.

There is also Eliezer Yudkowsky's You Only Live Twice and Robin Hanson's We Agree: Get Froze on cryonics.


          gwern on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

Why are two popular subjects here (1) extending lifespan, including cryogenics

This is factually false. I suspect if you looked through the last 1000 Articles or Discussion posts, you'd find <5% on life extension (including cryonics) and surely <10%.

Cryonics does not even command much support; in the last LW survey, 'probability cryonics will work' averaged 21%; 4% of LWers were signed up, 36% opposed, and 54% merely 'considering' it. So if you posted something criticizing cryonics (which a number of my posts could be construed as...), you would be either supported or regarded indifferently by ~90% of LW.


          Vladimir_Nesov on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

As I wrote in a comment to the survey results post, the interpretation of assignment of low probability to cryonics as some sort of disagreement or opposition is misleading:

... if ... probability of global catastrophe ... [is] taken into account ... even though I'm almost certain that cryonics fundamentally works, I gave only something like 3% probability. Should I really be classified as "doesn't believe in cryonics"?


          gwern on Stupid Questions Open Thread Round 2        

Of course not. Why the low probability is important is because it defeats the simplistic non-probabilistic usual accounts of cultists as believing in dogmatic shibboleths; if Bart119 were sophisticated enough to say that 10% is still too much, then we can move the discussion to a higher plane of disagreement than simply claiming 'LW seems obsessed with cryonics', hopefully good arguments like '$250k is too much to pay for such a risky shot at future life' or 'organizational mortality implies <1% chance of cryopreservation over centuries and the LW average is shockingly optimistic' etc.

To continue your existential risk analogy, this is like introducing someone to existential risks and saying it's really important stuff, and then them saying 'but all those risks have never happened to us!' This person clearly hasn't grasped the basic cost-benefit claim, so you need to start at the beginning in a way you would not with someone who immediately grasps it and makes a sophisticated counter-claim like 'anthropic arguments show that existential risks have been overestimated'.


          IMPLANTS AND BIOTECH        
These are the scarecrow years
When frost tears glisten
On molded and painted cheeks, beside ears
That no longer listen
Being more deaf than dead
And hearing only
Through implants and inputs into the head
Bonily, stonily.

Fears come while certainties lapse:
Fears of the dark,
Of abandonment, monsters, uncertainty. Now (perhaps)
Some Schrödinger’s shark
Divides cosmonaut, cryonaut, chrononaut
From those who can’t trust
The unknown, are ill-taught, or die without thought.

Thrive on change, or be dust.

Published online: The Rotary Dial, Canada, September 2015

          Freeze and Read These 6 Facts about Cryonics        
Being suspended in time and reanimated decades into the future may sound like something out of a sci-fi series, but it’s becoming an increasingly popular topic and more businesses that
          Cyborg Anthropology        
by
Matthew Fuller
1996-09-01

The Cyborg Handbook tells the story of how one particular model, or one cluster of models grouped under the term cyborg (cybernetic organism), has come to occupy a key place as a meaning-making apparatus that either actually or rhetorically involves such disparate areas as: the invention of new emotions; self-directed evolution; combat and medical augmentation; the prediction, monitoring, and control of body movement; farming; automatism; remote or prosthetic operations; reproductive technology. Culling material from a wide variety of academic sources, The Cyborg Handbook follows the lead of Donna Haraway, who adds an image-rich foreword to the book, in putting cyborgs on the map of cultural criticism.

Alongside essays and pieces of fiction, this weighty contribution to the consolidation of the field (there are over forty texts) also includes facsimiles of sections of reports from NASA, DARPA, and medical reports: the sort of material that one might expect writers on the history, sociology, anthropology, or cultural politics of technology to use as primary research material rather than as contents. Here, though, the juxtaposition of jargons and intentions that are often at cross-purposes is quite fruitful as befits such an ambiguous, chimerical, partial, and contradictory figure. “We can have unabashedly military cyborgs, liberal cyborgs, and feminist cyborgs just as easily as we can have cyborgs that undermine such categories” - as Hugh Gusterson reminds us. Notwithstanding this convergence, it’s still not that easy to get the contributors in the corduroy mixed up with those in the camoflauge. Chris Hables Gray’s dry reading-between-the-lines of a McDonnell Aircraft Company job advertisement, for instance, goes some way towards making this apparent. Appearing in the First Great Golden Age of Pop Cybernetics as a figure to illustrate The Extensions of Man, the cyborg has been powerfully developed by writers such as Donna Haraway and Sandy Stone to go beyond the nature/culture division in the re-engineering of a feminist consciousness that has too often been locked-down in the former term. Although many of the essays here are still concerned to maintain the domination/resistance paradigm as a mark of old school cultural studies loyalty, for feminists in particular, this re-engineering has not just been a matter of theoretical innovation but also a task of massive urgency. When flesh is becoming increasingly protean, those who have historically been considered morphologically dubious share the doubled situation of facing both immense opportunity and of becoming increasingly subject to alteration and “improvement.” Given this urgency (one that can only be accelerated as those vectors of the cyborg condition such as genetic engineering and biotechnology, which appear below the level of general visibility, move increasingly into everyday life-with the minimum of public debate or accountability), one wonders how long excruciatingly banal reports on the progressive viewing of Star Trek can remain viable as an alleged life form. Although, at its usual pace, the academy tends to operate via a careful permutational unfolding of issues within a defined area, we perhaps shouldn’t expect anything so thrilling and awful as this area of study might suggest. Nevertheless, there are several writers here that are up to speed. Heidi Figuerora-Sarriera contributes a short, useful reading of the work of that curiously retrofuturist figure Hans Moravec. Part Platonist, part transhumanist jock, Moravec espouses a version of the Cartesian mind/body split as a full-on mind/body impasse. In his projection of the cyborg, the body becomes “stuff,” a waste product, whilst the soul or mind, schematically purified into an electronic pattern, is downloaded into a computer, or any of an array of fabulously appointed machines. A good counterpoint to the fanfares for the supercession of the obsolescent body is the entropic subversion in the Philip K. Dick story, “I Hope I Shall Arrive Soon,” where a ship computer attempts to maintain the mental balance of a highly neurotic man lying for a decade in faulty cryonic suspension en route to the colonization of another planet. Conveyed in Dick’s brilliantly convoluted yet dense style, this tale reveals in part that as chemical and mechanical technologies become integral to our bodies we also become increasingly implicit in these genera of material formation - as the component most subject to fault or malfunction.

In a similar vein, another science fiction writer included in this anthology, Lois H. Gresh, contributes a frenetic story that gives the reader a hilarious inside view of the strife and melodrama in the life of cybernetically enhanced pot-plants. In a tightly argued paper on cyborg anthropology tracing the political ramifications of such study, Gary Lee Downey, Joseph Dumit, and Sarah Williams state that: “Cyborg anthropology helps us to realize that we are all scientists. That is, by reconstructing scientific knowledge in new contexts, including across national and cultural boundaries, we all do science.” Whilst no doubt this would provide an annoyance to many, though not all, “real” scientists, the reconstruction of scientific boundaries in science fiction in particular has not only often set the pace for “real” science but has, alongside the work of more empirically based writers, proved particularly fruitful in revealing the positive unconscious of what far too often passes as neutral discourse. Multiple excesses of borders not only of discipline, but of the skin-bound human individual, are the only surety in cyborg ontology, and this most intense of liminal skirmishes is explored in detail. Arnold Schwarzeneggar, as actor and bodybuilder, has often been the site for this crisis to act itself out on film. Jonathan Goldberg’s complex and perceptive article tracing his career uses a theoretical toolbox including the writings of Leo Bersani, Judith Butler, and Zoe Sofia, amongst others. And, as the excessive phallus exceeds even itself, he makes a particularly choice use of Pat Califia’s work to read the improbable family group of Terminator 2.

Whilst it may not be quite this same sly wit making it appear that the book itself is strongly cyborged - with many of the essay titles manifestly designed solely to seduce the poetic imagination of library search databases - there is much in the piece by Sandy Stone. In an article that also forms the introduction to her extremely juicy book The War of Desire and Technology at the close of the Mechanical Age, she weaves together “architecture, play, physicality and metaphoricality, bodies and selves, whereness and politics, sex and bandwidth, interior and surface and desire” in a way that is exemplarily playful and robustly pertinent. Making the writing itself something of a border creature in its play on different cultural [text missing]…of the most suggestive work here. Hybridity and its potential induce complex mixtures of fear and desire, which are both historically and contemporarily crucial - as David J. Hess points out, “every age has its mythical figures that transgress the boundaries it creates between the human and the non-human, culture and nature.” That the cyborg is a figure that, whilst tending towards the mythical, stands neither outside ourselves, nor outside society, is a cause for celebration - and for cranking up the contradictions.


          Comment on The Four Main Problems With Modern Cancer Detection Methods by Dr Joseph S Maresca        
The classic prevention methods can be very successful. Everyone has heard the ads to stop smoking so that the lungs can clear up over time. A cessation of eating junk food may help with clearing the body of harmful food additives. Clean air and clean water will help avoid ingesting deadly toxins. Some natural healers use a protocol of castor oil rubbed onto the chest and a heating pad to draw out the tar in the lungs. If this method is selected, make sure a health care professional in complementary medicine is consulted first. Monitoring the body fluids is critical too. The C-reactive protein is a significant measure of inflammation in the body. Injectible Biologics, pills and some nutrients like astaxanthin help to reduce inflammation. Glucose monitoring is critical too because cancer feeds on sugar. Sometimes, a diagnosis of diabetes can precede pancreatic cancer. Newer treatment modalities are coming down the pipeline. Robotic surgery is much less invasive. Ozone therapy and cryonics can be used to destroy toxic masses in the body. Laser therapy may be helpful too. Monitoring the pH is important too. A higher pH in the basic area creates a hostile environment for cancer to thrive. The pH acid range is [0 to 7-]. A 7 is amphoteric and above 7 is in the basic range. The basic range is associated with optimal health or wellness. When we die, the body quickly decays to a pH nearer to zero which is solidly acidic.
          !!!13.02.2010!!! Клуб Бинго, пр-т Победы, 112.        

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Зaмeним нaдoeвшиx кyпидoнoв и глaмypныe cтишки, нaпoлнив пpaздник нoвым видeниeм "тёмнoй poмaнтики"!

Aтмocфepa вeчepa в cтилe Old Romantics пoмoжeт вaм нe тoлькo xopoшo пpoвecти вpeмя и пpизнaтьcя любимoмy чeлoвeкy в cвoиx чyвcтвax, нo и вoзмoжнo вcтpeтить тёмнyю "пoлoвинкy" cвoeгo cepдцa.


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Нacтpoитьcя нa пoдoбaющee нacтpoeниe вaм пoмoжeт гpyппa Cryonix (post-industrial/ebm) кoтopaя зaдacт тeмп вceмy вeчepy.
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Зaвepшeниeм кoнцepтнoй пpoгpaммы cтaнeт гpyппa, кoтopaя нe нyждaeтcя в пpeдcтaвлeнии - Error:Genesis (electro/industrial) – yчacтники, кaк вceгдa, зapядят вac мoщнoй энepгиeй cвoeй мyзыки, кoтopaя пoднимeт зaл в oднoм тaнцeвaльнoм пopывe, eдвa ocтaвив кoгo-тo cидeть нa мecтe.

Яpкoй вcпышкoй бeзyмия cтaнeт выcтyплeниe freak-erotic-show «Cabaret Maniacs»! Пoмимo тaнцeвaльнoй пocтaнoвки вac ждёт нeзaбывaeмый пepфoмaнc : нa cцeнe мacтep cдeлaeт КOPCEТ-ПИPCИНГ yчacтникaм шoy (http://vkontakte.ru/photo-13649790_149358884), a зpитeли cмoгyт нaблюдaть зa пpoцeccoм чepeз вeб кaмepy нa экpaнax мoнитopa – и этo дaлeкo нe вce cюpпpизы oт Best Queens Go-Go ever!)

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          Angry Gods and Sexy Bods -- A Look Back at Doctor Who's 1977 "The Face of Evil"         
A hidden gem in the wonderful 14th Series of BBC1’s “Doctor Who”, The Face of Evil first aired over a four week period during January 1977.  The story holds up remarkably well forty years later, with relevant commentary on violence, religion and politics.  Played by fan-favorite Tom Baker, the Fourth Doctor lines from these episodes are still highly quotable even with a present day meme countering the Trump Administration’s use of alternative facts:

What makes the Doctor different from most other heroic characters is that he can be wrong, and his error in The Face of Evil is a doozy: Repairing a space-bound colony’s super computer causes it to go mad, becoming the god-like oppressor Xoanon and sorting out analytical technicians and physical survey teams over time into the competing tribes “Tesh” and “Sevateem” while declaring the Doctor the “Evil One”!  When the Doctor revisits the unnamed colony centuries later he spends the rest of the serial fixing his mistake stopping Xoanon’s malevolent eugenics experiment.

Strangely enough, The Face of Evil is known less for its thought-provoking story than for the introduction of the character Leela.  Cast out of the Sevateem for daring to challenge the will of Xonanon, she stumbles across the Doctor in the planet’s badlands at the beginning to the serial.  Slowing learning to trust each other, they overcome various obstacles to defeat Xoanon, the Doctor thinking through solutions while Leela uses brute force with ruthless efficiency.

Leela is such a great character because she serves multiple purposes.  She is the Doctor’s soundboard, a regular character who allows the Doctor to explain information to the viewer (much like Robin to Batman and Watson to Sherlock Holmes).  She is also a strong woman character, capable in her own right.  Lastly, Leela could be objectified by a male audience. 

The actresses who portrayed the Doctor’s companion pre-1977 were just as beautiful as Louise Jameson, the actress in the Leela role, but Jameson as Leela appealed to various fetishes. Jameson herself said that the BBC wanted a feisty, intelligent, interesting woman, but without clothes for an outfit!   Leela's appearance (scantily clad in leather) appealed visually to leather, jungle and sexy sci-fi fans.  What happens to Leela story-wise appealed to techno-fetishists.  In The Face of Evil Leela was:

1) Hypnotized,

2) Frozen,

and 3) Transformed (into a robot assassin).

The “Doctor Who” showrunners used this formula later with the Clara Oswald character, subjecting her to these three techno-fetishes as well (albeit in different episodes from 2012 -2015).  And when this Pretty Vacant comic creator fleshed out his Gigi Gutierrez character to appeal to women as a strong character yet be objectified by male techno-fetish readers he could look back at a 40-year legacy.

Gigi Gutierrez Tranquilized, Mannequinized (Transformed), Hypnotized and Cryonized (Frozen)

Shows still utilize this formula successfully today (HBO’s Game of Thrones and Westworld, Starz’ Black Sails).  It’s good that various media can still make it work, because so many different, well-made stories can be told with just a little sex appeal to start things off!       

          army1987 on Open Thread: November 2009        

Every genius is entitled to some eccentricity, and the MWI is EY's.

EY's level of support for cryonics (to the point of saying that people who don't sign their children up for cryo are lousy parents) sound waaaay more eccentric to me than acceptance of the MWI.


          shminux on Open Thread: November 2009        

Cryonics is a last-ditch long-shot attempt to cheat death, so I can relate quite easily.

I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. I don't want to live on in the hearts of my countrymen; I want to live on in my apartment.

-- Woody Allen


          Jack on Open Thread: November 2009        

No, it's because MWI has broad support among physicists as at least being a very plausible candidate interpretation. Support for cryonics among biologists and neuroscientists is much more limited.


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Gambar bentuk animasi dari otak manusia

Jangankan alam sekitar, diri sendiri kita pun masih banyak menyimpan tanda tanya. Otak manusia bisa disamakan dengan prosesor komputer. Bedanya, kinerja prosesor dapat diuraikan secara logika, sedangkan otak kita tidak.
Dari berbagai macam riset yang telah dilakukan oleh manusia selama ribuan tahun mulai terungkap beberapa sisi misterius otak manusia. Walaupun demikian, ada beberapa yang tidak dapat dijelaskan secara ilmiah.
Ada beberapa fakta penting ditemukan yang sebelumnya mungkin tidak pernah terpikirkan oleh manusia. Otak adalah salah satu organ yang paling menakjubkan di dalam tubuh manusia, karena ia dapat mengendalikan sistem saraf pusat agar bisa bekerja secara normal.
Otak manusia sangatlah kompleks dan terdiri sekitar 100 miliar saraf (neuron) dan ada begitu banyak hal terjadi di dalam otak dengan berbagai bidang yang berbeda. Karenanya otak termasuk salah satu organ vital dalam kehidupan manusia. Berikut beberapa keunikan dan dapat pula dikatakan misteri dari otak manusia.

12. Otak manusia berwarna abu-abu
Beberapa bagian dari tubuh memiliki warna tersendiri untuk darah, jaringan, tulang atau cairan lain. Tapi jika otak manusia diawetkan dalam stoples, meskipun masih berdenyut kebanyakan berwarna abu-abu, karena itu seluruh otak kadang disebut sebaagi materi abu-abu.
Namun, otak juga tetap mengandung materi putih yang terdiri dari serat saraf untuk menghubungkan materi abu-abu. Sedangkan komponen yang berwarna hitam disebut dengan substantia nigra, yang merupakan neuromelanin hitam, yaitu pigmen khusus yang sama dengan warna kulit dan rambut dan merupakan batas dari bagian basal ganglia.

2. Kesadaran
Saat bangun di pagi hari, kita tersadar dari tidur. Menikmati sinar matahari dari celah jendela, udara pagi nan sejuk, dan seterusnya. Kita menyebutnya sebagai kesadaran. Bidang ini memicu topik majemuk yang dibahas ilmuwan sejak zaman dulu. Pakar neurologi mutakhir menjabarkan kesadaran sebagai suatu topik riset realistis.

3. Hidup Membeku
Hidup abadi memang hanya ada dalam khayalan manusia. Namun ilmuwan telah menemukan cryonic, temuan yang mampu membuat manusia memiliki dua kehidupan.
Salah satu pusat cryonic adalah Alcor Life Extension Foundation, di Arizona, yang menyimpan tubuh mahluk hidup dalam tabung berisi nitrogen cair dengan suhu minus 320 fahrenheit.
Idenya adalah manusia yang sudah meninggal akibat penyakit akan dicairkan dan dihidupkan kembali di masa mendatang saat penyakit itu sudah bisa disembuhkan.
Jenazah Ted Williams, pemain baseball kenamaan disimpan di sini. Karena teknologinya belum ditemukan, maka penghidupan kembali belum dilakukan. Namun tubuhnya sudah “dilelehkan” dengan suhu yang tepat sehingga sel-selnya membeku dan memecah.

4. Misteri Kematian
Bagaimana manusia menjadi tua? manusia terlahir dengan mekanisme tubuh yang mampu bertahan dari penyakit. Itu sebabnya luka bisa sembuh sendiri tanpa diobati. Tapi seiring dengan bertambah usia, mekanisme itu menurun.
Kenapa bisa begitu? Ada dua teori penjelasannya. Pertama, penuaan adalah bagian dari genetika manusia. Kedua, penuaan adalah hasil dari sel-sel tubuh yang rusak.
Berdasarkan pengamatan beberapa kisah diketahui, bahwa otak manusia masih bisa tetap aktif selama beberapa detik setelah kepalanya dipenggal. Namun, para dokter percaya bahwa hal tersebut merupakan refleksi kedutan otot.
Dr Harold Hillman, mantan direktur Unity Laboratory of Applied Neural Biology di University of Surrey menuturkan bahwa kematian terjadi, karena adanya pemisahan antara otak dengan sumsum tulang belakang, tapi hal ini bersifat menyakitkan sehingga banyak negara yang tidak memberlakukan metode ini.

5. Alam VS Asuhan
Perdebatan tentang pikiran dan kepribadian manusia masih berkutat antara dua hal di atas. Kepribadian dan pemikiran manusia dikatakan dikontrol oleh gen atau lingkungan? atau bisa jadi keduanya? Masih belum ada kesepakatan di kalangan ilmuwan tentang hal ini.

6. Tertawa dan Hal-hal Pemicu Otak
Tertawa adalah hal yang paling sedikit dipahami dari perilaku manusia. Para ilmuwan menemukan bahwa selama tertawa, ada tiga bagian otak yang terlibat. Pertama, bagian yang berpikir sebelum kita memahami suatu gurauan. Kedua, area yang bergerak untuk memberitahu otot kita untuk melakukan sesuatu. Lalu sebuah area emosional yang menggugah perasaan geli.
Perintis peneliti humor John Morryer mendapati fakta bahwa suara tawa adalah sebuah reaksi yang sangat menarik terhadap cerita yang menyalahi kebiasaan. Dan pengertian lainya menganggap tawa sebagai sebuah saluran yang mengirimkan informasi “menarik (lucu)” kepada orang lain. Dengan demikian tampak jelas : tertawa membuat perasaan kita lebih baik.

7. Daya Ingat
Beberapa pengalaman sulit dilupakan, sebaliknya kita justru kerap melupakan hal-hal penting. Bagaimana itu bisa terjadi? menggunakan teknik pencitraan otak, ilmuwan menemukan adanya mekanisme yang bertanggungjawab pada penciptaan dan penyimpanan memori.
Mereka menemukan hippocampus dan materi abu-abu otak yang berperan sebagai kotak memori. Tapi mengapa ada memori yang mudah diingat dan dilupakan, masih tetap jadi misteri.

8. jam Biologis
Otak juga memiliki nukleus suprachiasmatic nucleus alias jam biologi. Bagian ini memprogram tubuh untuk mengikuti irama waktu 24 jam. Jam biologi juga menyesuaikan suhu tubuh, siklus bangun tidur, juga produksi hormon melatonin. Perdebatan terakhir adalah apakah suplemen melatonin mampu mencegah jet lag?

9. Perasaan Dihantui atau Halusinasi
Diperkirakan 80 persen dari sensasi pengalaman termasuk gatal, tertekan,tersiksa, stres, keinginan, kehangatan, nyaman dan rasa sakit datang dari bagian tubuh yang hilang. Ada orang yang mengalami adanya organ tubuh mereka yang tidak nampak tapi bisa merasakan.
Sebuah penjelasan berpendapat, daerah saraf yang terpotong membentuk hubungan yang baru dengan sumsum tulang belakang, dimana anggota tubuh yang kurang seolah-olah masih ada, terus mengirim sinyal ke otak besar.
Kemungkinan lainnya, otak besar adalah sebuah “kawat” transmisi, dia mengendalikan tubuh yang cacat bagaikan memperlakukan tubuh yang sempurna tanpa cacat. Ini berarti otak besar tetap menyimpan kendali ketika anggota tubuh masih dalam keadaan utuh dan sempurna.

10. Tidur
Mengapa manusia butuh tidur? Ilmuwan paham bahwa semua mamalia butuh tidur cukup. Tidak cukup tidur berkepanjangan akan menimbulkan halunisasi bahkan kematian.
Ada dua tingkatan dalam tidur, yakni tidur yang “non-rapid eye movement (NREM)” atau “masa tidur penuh”. Pada massa NREM aktivitas bola mata dan aktivitas metabolisme otak melambat.
Lalu tidur tingkat “rapid eye movement (REM)” atau “masa tidur sebentar”, saat otak masih cukup aktif. Walaupun masa tidur sebentar otak masih cukup aktif tetapi pada masa tersebut manusia sudah dapat bermimpi.

11. Mimpi
Jika kita menanyakan soal yang sama pada 10 orang, apa yang menyebabkan kita bermimpi? Mungkin kita akan memperoleh 10 jawaban yang tidak sama. Karena hal inilah mimpi dikatakan sebagai misteri yang belum bisa dipecahkan ilmuwan saat ini.
Teori pertama bahwa melalui rangsangan saraf informasi antar molekul otak besar menjalankan latihan terhadap otak besar selama mimpi berlangsung.
Teori lainnya adalah orang-orang bermimpi akan tugas dan perasaan yang tidak sempat diperhatikan lagi, dalam proses demikian bisa membantu kita memperkuat ingatan dan pikiran. Umumnya, ilmuwan setuju dengan pengertian bahwa “mimpi bisa terjadi saat tidur sebentar”.

12. Otak manusia merupakan otak yang paling besar
Beberapa binatang bisa menggunakan otaknya untuk melakukan berbagai hal seperti yang dilakukan oleh manusia. Tapi, sebenarnya otak manusia berukuran paling besar dibandingkan dengan otak binatang manapun.
Rata-rata berat otak manusia dewasa sebesar 1,361 kilogram, berat ini hampir sama dengan otak binatang lumba-lumba yang dianggap sebagai hewan yang cerdas. Namun, berat dari otak lumba-lumba lebih kecil dibandingkan dengan ukuran tubuhnya, sehingga otak manusia tetap saja menjadi yang paling besar.
Selain itu, kecerdasan juga berkaitan dengan berbagai komponen di otak, dan mamalia memiliki korteks serebral terbesar yang bertanggung jawab terhadap fungsi memori, komunikasi, dan berpikir.

13. Ditemukan Otak tertua di dunia
Jaringan otak tertua di dunia yakni sekitar 2.500 tahun ditemukan di sekitar kawasan University of York, Heslington, Inggris. Hal ini tentu sangat mengagumkam, sebab jaringan otak hanya selama beberapa tahun telah membusuk, namun jaringan otak tersebut mampu bertahan lama padahal tempat ditemukan berlumpur. 

 
14. Otak Bayi memproses kata layaknya orang dewasa
Hasil riset mengindikasikan, meski belum bisa berbicara, bayi berusia setahun sudah mampu memahami kata-kata yang didengarnya dan menggunakan struktur otak yang sama seperti halnya pada otak orang dewasa.

15. Cara Menggunakan Otak Laki-Laki dan Perempuan Berbada

      Laki-Laki :
  • Berkonsentrasi pada satu hal. Caontoh : Berbicara dengan laki-laki yang lagi nonton bola (apalagi tendangan pinalti) yakinlah anda berbicara sendiri.
  • Pandai dalam bidang matematika dan logika.
  • Dalam ilmu kimia, laki-laki tidak membayangkan struktur molekul (terutama konformasi molekul).
  • Pada laki-laki otak cenderung berkembang dan memiliki spasial yang lebih kompleks seperti kemampuan perancangan mekanis, pengukuran penentuan arah abstraksi, dan manipulasi benda-benda fisik. Tak heran jika laki-laki suka sekali mengutak-atik kendaraan.
  • Membedakan dengan jelas peran otak kanan dan kiri.
  • Kemampuan berpikirnya berkembang dan pemahaman terhadap jalan dan arah sangat tajam.
  • Saat Mencari Jalan Laki laki : pikiran berkembang, mencari jalan dengan mengikuti pemahaman akan arah. Contoh : di samping toko roti, di sebelah kiri restoran masakan cina.
  • Pelupa.
  • Gampang marah.
  • Lelaki lebih tahan rasa sakit dan stres dibanding wanita.
  • Lelaki pantang menangis. Perempuan adalah makhluk yang sangat perasa, sehingga tidak sedikit yang bertanya-tanya dan merasa heran dengan sikap pasangan yang tertutup tentang perasaannya. Hal ini barangkali disebabkan karena sejak kecil lelaki diajarkan untuk tidak mengumbar perasaannya. Akan tetapi, hal itu juga disebabkan oleh perbedaan otak lelaki dan perempuan. Amygdala adalah bagian otak yang mengontrol respon emosi manusia. Pada lelaki, amygdala hanya berkomunikasi dengan sedikit bagian otak, seperti visual cortex dan bagian otak yang bertanggung jawab atas gerakan otot. Sementara itu, amygdala pada perempuan lebih terhubung dengan bagian otak yang mengontrol bahasa. Mungkin itu sebabnya perempuan lebih terbuka membicarakan perasaannya.
  • Lelaki tidak seempati perempuan. Pada umumnya, lelaki membaca lebih sedikit kisah fiksi daripada perempuan. Selain itu, mereka juga tidak terlalu menggilai sinetron dibandingkan perempuan. Hal ini barangkali disebabkan lelaki memiliki kadar empati yang lebih rendah dibandingkan perempuan. Tanpa empati atau kemampuan menempatkan diri dalam posisi orang lain, lelaki kesulitan menyelam ke dalam karakter fiksi. Psikolog Simon Baron-Cohen mendeskripsikan otak lelaki sebagai sesuatu yang terpasang untuk sistemasi. Ketika memandang seseorang, lelaki cenderung melihat individu itu sebagai sebongkah mesin yang diatur oleh hukum pasti, dan tidak peduli dengan apa yang dirasakannya.
      Perempuan :
  • Bisa melakukan banyak hal dalam waktu yang sama. Contoh : berbicara dengan wanita yang sedang memasak yakinlah bahwa anda tidak dicuekin.
  • Pandai membayangkan konformasi molekul, karena sebagian besar wanita hebat dalam hal menghayal.
  • Pandai mengekspresikan pikiran dengan kalimat menggunakan banyak kosakata. Dalam sebuah penelitian disebutkan, perempuan menggunakan sekitar 20.000 kata per hari, sementara laki-laki hanya 7.000 kata
  • Struktur hubungan otak mudah bekerjasama, sehingga pada saat berpikir otak kanan dan kiri semuanya bekerja.
  • Pandai memahami arti dan motif di belakang tindakan dan intuisinya tajam.
  • Saat Mencari Jalan Perempuan : pandai mengingat kosakata, mencari jalan dengan mengingat papan nama. Contoh : diantara restoran bernama ‘Tinghoa’ dan toko rotinya ‘Bakery.’
  • Sangat mendetail dalam mengingat sesuatu. Hal ini disebabkan pusat memori (hippocampus) pada otak perempuan lebih besar ketimbang pada otak laki-laki.
  • Sabar. Hal ini disebabkan otak perempuan lebih banyak mengandung serotonin yang membuatnya bersikap tenang. Tak aneh jika wanita lebih kalem ketika menanggapi ancaman yang melibatkan fisik, sedangkan laki-laki lebih cepat naik pitam. Selain itu, otak perempuan juga memiliki oksitosin, yaitu zat yang mengikat manusia dengan manusia lain atau dengan benda lebih banyak. Dua hal ini mempengaruhi kecenderungan biologis otak laki-laki untuk tidak bertindak lebih dahulu ketimbang bicara. Ini berbeda dengan perempuan.
  • Mengasuh anak bisa membuat perempuan tenang. Menyusui bisa menghilangkan stres. Jurnal of Neuroscience pada 2005 menyatakan efek menyusui pada ibu bisa lebih menenangkan ketimbang penggunaan kokain. “Pada masa ini perempuan ingin semuanya teratur, termasuk suaminya,”
  • Perempuan selalu ingin direspon saat konflik Meski tidak suka konflik, perempuan lebih marah jika tidak diabaikan saat konflik. Hal ini disebabkan mereka lebih sensitif ketimbang laki-laki. “Buat perempuan, respons negatif lebih baik ketimbang tidak ada respon sama sekali,”
  • Bisa “Membaca Pikiran” Bukan sulap bukan sihir, ini kemampuan biologis yang didapat perempuan karena turun temurun berperan dalam mengasuh anak. Secara biologis, kaum hawa mampu lebih baik membaca petunjuk nonverbal seperti ekspresi wajah, postur, dan nada suara ketimbang laki-laki.
  • Peremouan emank bikin bingung : Bila kesalahannya diingatkankan, mukanya merah.. bila diajari mukanya merah,… bila disanjung mukanya merah, jika marah mukanya merah. Kok sama semua!!

          Horror Headlines: Monday May 17th, 2010        
On this day in history: 

1965 - Magazine "The Nation" publishes Hunter S. Thompson's first-hand experiences with the Hell's Angels motorcycle club. The bikers would eventually stomp Thompson when they demanded payment for his time spent.

In Real People News: 

A Thai protester thought it would be a good idea to use a laser pointer on a group of Thai soldiers. Too bad for him, they mistook it for a laser sight and blew his head off in exchange.

Cryonics company Alcor has won a court battle after a judge orders a family to dig up their father so they could freeze his head, as per his wishes. Unfortunately, even though Alcor says that the man's head is no longer optimal for the freezing process due to decomposition, they figured they'd go ahead and take the issue to court anyways.

News Bullet: 

Would you like a sure sign that this new fangled 3D trend is going too far? Japanese studio Toei has announced that they are working on a 3D conversion for their classic "Battle Royale". No, not a remake; they're just planning on slapping some 3D effects onto the 10 year old film.

"Martyrs" director Pascal Laugier is bringing us his first US film entitled "The Tall Man", a woman in peril thriller in the vein of "Panic Room". He's bringing some star power with him as well as he has signed Jessica Biel as his leading lady.

Platinum Dunes making an original movie? Oh yes. Paramount, Platinum Dunes and Room 101 are teaming together to bring us a brand spanking new monster movie. Though there are no details of what kind of monster they plan on bringing to life, we are told that Mark L. Smith penned script is reminiscent of such films as "I am Legend", "Aliens" and "Descent".

Kurt Russell plan on scaring us once again as he signs on for the thriller "Undying", playing Virgial, a private investigator lured into a dark an surreal underworld by the mysterious Delia. With a script penned by Greg Whitta and directed by Jon Amiel, this could be a spooky little treat.


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          [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        
Submitted by Konkvistador • 24 votes • 181 comments

Saw this on reddit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/ydsy5/reddit_help_me_find_some_peace_in_dying_young_im/

Hey Reddit,

I'm a 23 year old girl with recurrent Glioblastoma multiforme (GBM), a highly aggressive type of brain cancer. I posted a couple of months ago asking for suggestions for things I should try before I die (life expectancy is 3-6 months) and got a lot of great ideas (many of which I've fulfilled).

At the time of my last post, my treatment was undecided. I ended up participating in a phase I trial at Dana-Farber, but I progressed after two months of treatment. There are not many great treatment options left for me, but my next move will be five radiosurgery treatments at Duke University next week. My prognosis looks pretty bleak at this point, and though I am hoping to exceed the 6-10 month median survival, I have to prepare to die. In a way, I am fortunate because the lesion is primarily in my brain stem (controls things like breathing), so I will likely die before the tumor spreads to the areas central to who I am.


I'm back on Reddit again, mostly to ask for help because I want to be cryogenically preserved upon my death. I've been interested in cryonics since long before I was even diagnosed, but I never thought that I would have to secure the finances so fast, and without a career or savings to stand on. As weird as it feels to ask for help here, I feel I should just give it a shot and sees what happens.

I caused a lot of family controversy last week by breaking the news to my parents. I can tell I've alienated them quite a bit as they are Christian and don't see why I'd want to be preserved; in their mind, I am going to heaven and my "soul" will forever leave my body when I die anyway. I clearly upset both of them with the implication that I was agnostic (I didn't say this outright, but it's true). My mom is fairly supportive of my plans to be preserved, but unfortunately, my dad isn't a fan of the idea, and he's really the only family I have that could offer financial help (my parents are divorced and not on good terms). The company I'm looking into, Cryonics Institute, costs $30,000-35,000 with transportation to the facility accounted for. My boyfriend is fully supportive, but like me, he's broke and barely out of college.

I know this is a big thing to ask for, and I'm sure many people are doubtful that preservation is plausible with cryonics. I'm far from convinced, but I would rather take the chance with preservation than rot in the ground or get cremated. The company I'm looking into, Cryonics Institute, has a good intro on their FAQ page that offers a hopeful outlook on future technology: http://cryonics.org/prod.html

A lot of people on reddit wanted to start a fundraiser for me awhile ago to aid in doing fun things before I die. I am hoping that redditors will still have some interest in helping me even if it's not going towards vacation or skydiving and shit like that. Cryopreservation is sincerely what will bring me the most peace in death.

I wish I could give a particularly compelling reason why I deserve another chance at life, but there's not much to say. I'm still just a kid, and hadn't even finished college when I was diagnosed. Unfortunately the most interesting thing I have yet to do is get a terminal disease at a young age.

If you guys can help me out, I would be grateful to a degree I can't possibly describe. I'm desperate. If you care to donate to the cause, the link to my blog and fundraiser is HERE. Anything, and I mean ANYTHING, you can do to help would be endlessly appreciated. If you don't want to look at my dumb cancer blog, the direct link to the preservation fund can be found HERE

On a lighter note, I'm open to the idea of trading donations for anything you might want in exchange (within legal limits). This could be fun!

Proof can be found on my earlier post, but here's a pic from today: http://i.imgur.com/Qdkzn.jpg?1

I'm also open to any questions about brain cancer, or my rationale for wanting to be preserved.

EDIT:

I want to explain in a little more detail why I think cryopreservation is worth a try. (Even an expensive try).

First, I want to make it clear that I'm not betting my life on cryopreservation. I am aware of the problems with the current state of cryonics, but I have the hope that technology might come up with a solution in the future. No one knows what technology will be available in 50 years. Yes, it takes "faith" in technology, but it takes faith to assume that technology won't be sufficient to reverse these problems someday.

The main point I want to make here is that it's a better shot at living again than if I were decomposing somewhere or cooked into ash. The relative value of even a slight chance at living again is a huge payoff for what seems like a lot of money to me now, but probably would be an easy decision for me if I had a steady job. Compare the cost of preservation to the cost of traveling overseas to pursue experimental treatments; I think the current state of glioblastoma treatment is just as bleak (if not more), but it doesn't seem so crazy to pursue those routes.

I'm trying to be preserved because I've done everything else in my power to help me extend my life. I've looked at essentially every diet, supplement, clinical trial, and "miracle treatment" out there. This is the last thing I can possibly do to fight for another chance, and if does happen to work, it will be incredible.

Live again or die trying.

EDIT 2: A cool quote

"The correct scientific answer to the question "Does cryonics work?" is: "The clinical trials are in progress. Come back in a century and we'll give you a reliable answer." The relevant question for those of us who don't expect to survive that long is: "Would I rather be in the control group, or the experimental group?" We are forced by circumstances to answer that question without the benefit of knowing the results of the clinical trials." - Dr. Ralph Merkle

TLDR; I want to be cryogenically preserved when I die from brain cancer but can't afford it. I am literally begging for financial help.

I couldn't help be moved by this. I felt a very strong sense that she is one of us, whoever "us" is. Looking at some of the negative comments and worst of all bad arguments people are using as reasons not to donate made me more upset.

I hope some here might join me in dismantling them. I'd also encourage those like me for who this buys a lot of warm fuzzies to donate. Though it might be wise to wait until we hear from CI or some other third party on the matter.

Edit: She has since made a comment on LW! The provided information has made me pretty much certain that this is a genuine plight.

redditors where willing to give her money to go skydiving, they don't want to give her money to buy cryonics. Sometimes I can only weep.

I think it pretty clear that promoting efficient charity in that particular thread is very unlikely to result in people giving money to better causes. Also I just plain want her to be rewarded in some small way! Note the part starting in the second paragraph that I bolded, not only did she realized what she really was, but she stepped over the entire set of pro-death rationalizations and faced the social pressure people she loved exerted on her because they think she might go to heaven ... its not her fault that a few cells in her brain went haywire before she could afford an insurance policy, I just don't want people like that not having something to show after getting so much stuff right.

2n Edit:

For anyone who just realized the universe sucks and wishes to do something about that whole people dying thing, they are welcome to engage in some optimal death defeating philanthropy by donating to The Brain Preservation Prize that has been endorsed by both Robin Hanson and Eliezer Yudkowsky. 

I know that there are more than 17 other people like me in the world, who really want to see the results of these attempts. A world in which brains can be cheaply preserved indefinitely is a world I want to live in - and it would just be sad if this project fizzled because it lacked the funds to verify the already-existing results.

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          hankx7787 on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

If you were acting "rationally" and not "super-rationally" in this context - you would declare this an absurd expense of fuzzies, which can be obtained much more cheaply, and not dare divert your resources from the much more effective things you're already doing.to maximize your goal system

This is missing the point, assuming you a somewhat comparable person here (and if this doesn't really apply to you, then there is no "superrational" justification for this), that cooperating and encouraging cooperation on cases of this nature increases your chances that, should you yourself (or anyone else you care about for that matter) be caught in a situation like this, there will be a safety net to catch you.

Granted it would be improbable for me personally to end up in this situation, but it's much the same economy as insurance for me - I pay for health insurance and cryonics (my life insurance) despite the long odds I'll ever need them in anywhere near as much quantity as I'm paying in the next 25 years, at least, so a hundred bucks or whatever one-time is just a drop in that budget.

Call me paranoid, but for me there is a clear superrational justification here.


          Konkvistador on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

I guess. But then to be consistent we should probably also make a norm against buying medicine for relatives too. This is only a half joking proposal since there are excellent arguments in favour of not spending more on last ditch attempt treatments. Also the general Hansonian argument on the uselessness of medical spending our society indulges in.

Oh and since we are on this topic we should shame everyone who uses cryonics because that clearly isn't optimal charity. And we don't want people to be selfish.

A strange thought has struck me, if it is de facto ok for me to be selfish for myself, why isn't it ok for me to be selfish on someone's else's behalf? I'm pretty sure I'm selfish enough on say my daughters behalf that its worth at least a few lives when we do the number crunching.

I just care more about some people than others. I'm generally ok with this. I don't recall a rule carved into the fabric of reality demanding I care about all humans equally. And if there is one... pshaw... no thanks I'm going to follow something that's more fun and in tune with my values. I wouldn't take objective morality that wanted me to stone adulterers seriously either, why should I treat this hypothetical one thus?

Neither do I aspire to eventually take such a rule seriously. In fact I would find a society where I couldn't treat some people preferentially a horrible one to live in as I have pointed out in a different context. This has been my ethical stance for quite some time.


          Konkvistador on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

"okay, if this community taboos buying fuzzies rather than optimal philantropy [note: there's a lot to unpack in that], then what's to stop this community from sliding down the undesirable slope towards ultimately tabooing any nonessential personal spending?"

Just for reference it should be pointed out that people have already attacked people spending money on medicine or buying cryonics based on this reasoning on LW.


          siodine on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

To be clear, you mean people have attacked others for investing in cryonics for themselves rather than, e.g., a GiveWell charity. All I have to say regarding that is that it's been, as you say, attacked rather than tabooed, and that I think it should be attacked (or without the negative connotation of attack, 'questioned').

The issue of cryonics being a worthwhile expenditure is currently somewhat unclear, and I don't see it being tabooed soon. Knowingly buying fuzzies (in the context of charity) over more optimal charity is clear.

To put in within my previous analogy, cryonics is on the slope towards driving a prius rather than a bike, and you're more towards driving a hummer than a prius.


          hankx7787 on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Personally, I am not in a financial position to engage in philanthropy. I contributed $100 to her (and I contributed $100 to thefirstimmortal on the immortality institute forums, who did get cryopreserved with the Cryonics Institute after dying of cancer shortly thereafter), because I will always help someone who is terminal and begging for cryo. This girl is literally begging for her life. I hope to meet her someday in the distant future...

(As a side note, everyone should get started signing up for cryonics BEFORE anything bad happens - like now! I highly recommend just giving Rudi Hoffman a call. He makes it easy.)


          gwern on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

I am not in a financial position to engage in philanthropy.

Of course you are, you just gave away $200. Good grief.

Not to pick on you... Well actually yes, to pick on you: What the hell is wrong with you people? If this were religious-oriented - for a pilgrimage to Mecca or buy Mormon underpants or pay for one last course of Scientology auditing - you'd be laughing your ass off hysterically! But because it's cryonics...

How could you fail and compartmentalize so epically? This is like, fractally bad: at every level, donating is a bad idea. It's probably a scam, so donating is a bad idea; if it weren't a scam, you still have no idea what she would really do with it or how close to the cryonics fee she'd come, so donating is a bad idea; even if she would collect enough, donating to ALCOR or the Brain Preservation Prize is a better idea; even if you wanted to donate to them, they're still almost certainly not as good as Givewell's best charity; and so on.


          gwern on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

I have; now please ponder why I might find repugnant the idea of donating towards something as inefficient and low-probability as cryonics rather than the very high probability charities identified by GiveWell, based solely on some identity politics and a Reddit post.

If everyone is going to justify donating to her on fuzzies, then have the guts to defend fuzzies. Fuzzies are not a good way of helping human beings 'facing death': that's the point. Don't equivocate between arguing that donating to her is a good way of making you feel better, and arguing that donating to her is a utilitarianly optimal sort of donation.


          7F5768D4 on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

I have. You know what, you're perfectly right, there are better ways to help people, and that's even if you're selfish and wish to help groups in which you're likely to find yourself, for instance setting a precedent of people helping needy, terminally ill cryonics patients because "someday I could be in her shoes".

You're also too good at rhetoric for your own good. I wouldn't have been so distracted from the content of your message if you hadn't been acting so aggressive, indignant and grandiloquent in the comments from the beginning on. Why did you have to? Do you feel like the strength of your arguments alone wouldn't suffice? Or were you too engrossed in the game of putting your ideas forward and destroying those on the other side?


          Dr_Manhattan on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Assuming this is not a scam, I would donate for practical reasons (and not only fuzzies) - for those who plan to be frozen, we want cryonics to be popular. A public incident like this might make it into news, etc., and make a difference. Plus Reddit has gotten quite big.


          mtaran on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

There are a lot of things I'd like to say, but you have put forth a prediction

It's probably a scam

I would like to take up a bet with you on this ending up being a scam. This can be arbitrated by some prominent member of CI, Alcor, or Rudi Hoffman. I would win if an arbiter decides that the person who posted on Reddit was in fact diagnosed with cancer essentially as stated in her Reddit posts, and is in fact gathering money for a her own cryonics arrangements. If none of the proposed arbiters can vouch for the above within one month (through September 18), then you will win the bet.

What odds would you like on this, and what's the maximum amount of money you'd put on the line?


          Brigid on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Is it possible that she could suggest to the Cryonics Institute that they could set up an account in her name and we could donate directly to that account, cutting out the middleman but still directly contributing to this girl?

Also, I think that if it was a scam choosing cryonics is probably a bad choice since plenty of people even in an atheist forum seem to be against it, and thus its not as likely to generate as much sympathy. I think she could have said "I want to go on a safari in Africa" or some sort of trip that is moderately expensive (just like the skydiving comments claim) and received more funding.


          JGWeissman on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Is it possible that she could suggest to the Cryonics Institute that they could set up an account in her name and we could donate directly to that account, cutting out the middleman but still directly contributing to this girl?

This comment on CI's Facebook page indicates that she and CI are in the process of setting that up.

When that is established, I plan to donate $500. (If anyone sees that it is set up, and I haven't followed up yet, respond to this comment.)

(ETA: There is now a fund set up by the Society for Venturism, and I have made my donation through them.)


          hankx7787 on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

          V_V on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Cryonics was definitely a scam when the first organization was established.

Modern practitioners might be possibly motivated by self-delusion rather than fraudolent intent, but it doesn't change the fact that the service they are offering is very much unlikely to provide any significant life extension:

  • The cryopreservation process causes significant brain damage, due to ischemia, cryoprotectant toxicity, mechanical stress caused by thermal contraction and possibly ice formation (its unclear whether they can achieve full vitrification of a human brain).
  • Even if the process was in principle capable of preserving enough information to restore the self, there are significant chances that they may not perform it properly, since it entails difficult and time-critical procedures, and they work without any independent oversight and clearly have no incentive to report errors and mishaps.
  • Even if the preservation process works in principle and they performed it correctly, there are no known or even realistically foreseable technologies that would allow restoration. Belief in magical nanotechnology is just blind faith.
  • Even if restoration technology becomes available, it is far from obvious that future people will have an incentive to restore cryopreserved people, particularly at large scale.
  • Last but not least, the financial structure of cryonics organization is dubious, resembling Ponzi/pyramid schemes. The long-term viability of these organizations is questionable.

          hankx7787 on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

You're wrong in almost every way, and even though your post is essentially flaming rhetoric and fails to address anything in the linked-to post or make any substantive claims at all, I'll still try to make a few points just because I have to at least say something.

Cryonics was definitely a scam when the first organization was established.

I've listened to some of the founders talk about what it was like when they first started. They were a small group of people who righteously believed in their cause, but had no money or organization. They pulled together in many amazing ways, at one point having to keep someone on ice in someone's bathtub before they could get a real solution, and winning amazing and unprecedented legal victories by pulling together and fighting for their cause. This is the sort of story I've heard. What are you even referring to? Or is your opinion just some random crap you pulled out of your ass which has no relation to reality (which is what I suspect)?

very much unlikely to provide any significant life extension

If you want to argue it's a bad bet, fine. I would disagree, but your free to have your own opinion.

The cryopreservation process causes significant brain damage, due to ischemia, cryoprotectant toxicity, mechanical stress caused by thermal contraction and possibly ice formation (its unclear whether they can achieve full vitrification of a human brain).

How much damage does burial or cremation cause?

Even if the process was in principle capable of preserving enough information to restore the self, there are significant chances that they may not perform it properly, since it entails difficult and time-critical procedures, and they work without any independent oversight and clearly have no incentive to report errors and mishaps.

The implication being that the folks running cryonics organization are frauds just out to make money and don't give a damn about the patient? Another baseless and insulting accusation.

Even if the preservation process works in principle and they performed it correctly, there are no known or even realistically foreseable technologies that would allow restoration. Belief in magical nanotechnology is just blind faith.

There is nothing magical about the prospects of nanotechnology. There are no assumptions that we will discover free energy, cold fusion, or need anything that we know violates the laws of physics. If you're not going to point out exactly what is magical about widely held beliefs about the prospects of future technology then it's safe to assume this is yet another opinion pulled out of your ass.

Even if restoration technology becomes available, it is far from obvious that future people will have an incentive to restore cryopreserved people, particularly at large scale.

The continued existence of cryonics organizations with their current policies provides for reanimation. In addition there are many perpetual trusts that provide redundant mechanisms for insuring reanimation is provided for. Finally, what exactly does this say about your view of humanity? If you had a stable but preserved medical patient, and came up with a way to cure them, would you save their life, or just throw people away like garbage? If the latter, what the hell is wrong with you? Most people would not do that. Also see http://alcor.org/FAQs/faq07.html#today

Last but not least, the financial structure of cryonics organization is dubious, resembling Ponzi/pyramid schemes. The long-term viability of these organizations is questionable.

Do you even know what a pyramid or Ponzi scheme is? A cryonics organization charges people the money required to perform the services they offer. They are very open about their financials. And yeah, the long-term viability of anything is questionable, but personally I don't believe the long-term viability of everything is certainly doomed.


          Eudoxia on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

This is the sort of story I've heard. What are you even referring to?

I think he was talking about Robert Nelson leaving eleven 'patients' out in the open to rot.

The implication being that the folks running cryonics organization are frauds just out to make money and don't give a damn about the patient? Another baseless and insulting accusation.

Well, there's Robert Nelson, among other things. Trans Time once threatened to have two patients, Ray and Katherine Mills, thawed and cremated, because to them they were nothing more than paying customers, certainly not patients. They were later, thankfully, neuroconverted and transported to Alcor, which is not completely innocent either, if you read Darwin's A Visit to Alcor. Specifically, this part made me reconsider the plausibility of cryonics, not from a scientific standpoint, but from a social/organizational one:

[...] Saul Kent invited me over to his home in Woodcrest, California to view videotapes of two Alcor cases which troubled him – but he couldn’t quite put his finger on why this was so.[...] Patients were being stabilized at a nearby hospice, transported to Alcor (~20 min away) and then CPS was discontinued, the patients were placed on the OR table and, without any ice on their heads, they were allowed to sit there at temperatures a little below normal body temperature for 1 to 1.5 hours, while burr holes were drilled, [...] smoke could be seen coming from the burr wound! Since the patient had no circulation to provide blood to carry away the enormous heat generated by the action of the burr on the bone, the temperature of the underlying bone (and brain) must have been high enough to literally cook an egg. In one case, a patient’s head was removed in the field and, because they had failed to use a rectal plug, the patient had defecated in the PIB. The result was that feces had contaminated the neck wound, and Alcor personnel were seen pouring saline over the stump of the neck whilst holding the patient’s severed head over a bucket trying to wash the fecal matter off the stump. These are just a few of the grotesque problems I observed.[...]


          Eudoxia on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

[Cont., original post was cut]

As for the Cryonics Institute, well, I think this says it all:

My dear friend and mentor Curtis Henderson was little more than straight frozen because CI President Ben Best had this idea that adding polyethylene glycol to the CPA solution would inhibit edema.(Source).

As for MNT:

There is nothing magical about the prospects of nanotechnology. There are no assumptions that we will discover free energy, cold fusion, or need anything that we know violates the laws of physics. If you're not going to point out exactly what is magical about widely held beliefs about the prospects of future technology then it's safe to assume this is yet another opinion pulled out of your ass.

By now mechanosynthesis has pretty much been proven, at least in the environment of computer simulations. The things that are extrapolated from it are not so certain: For example, the Planetary Gear and other nanomechanical wonders have only been simulated using molecular dynamics, but the only way to validate that they work (That is, that the atoms won't clump together or bonds will be formed across gears) is with an ab-initio calculation, and to the extent of my knowledge this has not been done. The prospect of nanomedicine as described by Freitas is even more dubious, since it builds on the assumption that those machines are feasible. The scaling laws used by Drexler in Nanosystems (And subsequently by Freitas in Nanomedicine) are also flawed, as Richard Jones pointed out to Michael Anissimov:

With respect to the calculations in MNT, you should know that the numerical estimates of the rubbing friction of hydrogen terminated diamond surfaces you get from the formulae in Nanosystems are several orders of magnitude lower than the values obtained by Judith Harrison’s molecular dynamics simulations. This isn’t a “numerical error”, of course, it’s a result of an incomplete formulation of the relevant physics.

So while the basic capabilities are beyond doubt (In the theory), the capabilities that are presumed to arise from them are not.


          V_V on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

I've listened to some of the founders talk about what it was like when they first started. They were a small group of people who righteously believed in their cause

Chatsworth Scandal

How much damage does burial or cremation cause?

For reanimation purposes? Probably pretty much the same of cryopreservation. Once a bit has been deleted you can't delete it twice.

The implication being that the folks running cryonics organization are frauds just out to make money and don't give a damn about the patient?

Or they are incompetent, or they try to cut the costs to avoid bankruptcy, or they avoid reporting problems in order not to alienate current and potential new members, or because they delude themselves in order not to hurt their own perception of their effectiveness.

Why should you trust them? When someone offers to sell you the afterlife, skepticism should be the default position.

There is nothing magical about the prospects of nanotechnology. There are no assumptions that we will discover free energy, cold fusion, or need anything that we know violates the laws of physics.

Flying pigs might not necessarily violate the laws of physics either. That's not a good argument in favour of the claim that it will be eventually possible to create flying pigs.

If you make the claim that technology X is physically possible, the burden is on you to support that claim with a compelling argument. Attempting to reverse the burden of proof by saying "You can't prove X is impossible" doesn't qualify as a compelling argument. Note how close this comes to the classical religious argument "You can't prove there is no God".

If you're not going to point out exactly what is magical about widely held beliefs about the prospects of future technology then it's safe to assume this is yet another opinion pulled out of your ass.

  • There is no widely held belief that nanotechnology capable of restoring cryopreserved people will be developed.
  • "Nanotechnology" is kind of a buzzword. If by "nanotechnology" you mean artificial biochemistry, or something closely resembling that, then it is something feasible, and to some extent it already exists, but it will be subject to physical constraints probably similar to those that apply to natural biochemistry. If you mean an unspecified process that will allow us to arbitrarily control matter at atomic level, then that's pretty much the definition of magic.

The continued existence of cryonics organizations with their current policies provides for reanimation.

Why should they care about people frozen a long time in their past, particularly given limited resources?

Finally, what exactly does this say about your view of humanity?

That is realistic, I suppose. We currently let people die of starvation, curable diseases and violent conflict. If we found frozen corpses of 1000 years ago and it was technologically possible to reanimate them, how many would we care to restore?

Do you even know what a pyramid or Ponzi scheme is? A cryonics organization charges people the money required to perform the services they offer.

They fail to cover all the per-member expenses with just the fees paid by that member, hence they rely on the continuous recruitment of new members to pay the expenses for old ones. That makes them essentially a Ponzi scheme (or pyramid, if the members actively try to recruit new members themselves, as various people on this very thead appear to be doing). Possibly that wasn't done with fraudolent intent, but the result on the financial viability of the business model will be the same.


          hankx7787 on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Just going to add to this, there are lot of complete made up stories defaming cryonics organizations which have been found fraudulent in court. I don't know what the hell is wrong with people that would make them want to do this, I'm guessing maybe religious nuts who want to scare people away.


          Eudoxia on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

          shminux on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

And yeah, the long-term viability of anything is questionable, but personally I don't believe the long-term viability of everything is certainly doomed.

For a cryonics organization to have reasonable odds of long-term survival (hundreds, possibly thousands of years), it has to be in the reference class of such organizations. Other than a handful of successful religions, and maybe a handful of financial organizations out of thousands, I cannot think of any. And the latter survived more by serendipity than due to exceptionally good management. Nearly all long-term entities significantly changed their mandate during that time. It is universally agreed that making cryonics into religion is a terrible idea, so what's left is hoping for luck and for the mandate to not deviate too far from what the founders intended.


          lsparrish on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Cryonics was definitely a scam when the first organization was established.

A specific organization (the one run by Bob Nelson in Chattsworth) was a scam. This does not imply that cryonics itself was a scam. That's kind of like taking an example where fake shares were sold on played-out gold mines and concluding that gold mining itself was the scam.


          Eudoxia on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

It was the first to freeze somebody, but the first to be formed was the Cryonics Society of New York in 1965. CSC was founded a year later.

(If you want to nit pick, technically the first organization to freeze somebody was CryoCare Equipment Corporation who froze a still unidentified woman in 1966).


          Eudoxia on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

What about the brain damage her tumor is causing?

Jim Glennie (A-1367) had a glioblastoma multiforme, and cryoprotective perfusion achieved the best Glycerol concentration at the time (6.02M glycerol, 1992). A-2091 (name withheld) also had a glioblastoma and reportedly "target cryoprotectant concentration was reached in the brain".

Thomas Donaldson (A-1097) had an astrocytoma (I guess Astrocytes are a kind of glial cell, but I doubt the comparison can be extended further) and his cryopreservation was very good [p.16].

I am far from an expert and simply would like to hear some authoritative commentary on this

Disclaimer: I am not medically trained.

EDIT: I'm not sure if you're referring to brain damage affecting cryoprotection or brain damage affecting her mental state and making her opt out.


          RobertLumley on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

I think that one of the strongest pieces of evidence against this being a scam is that she picked cryonics, which seems low payout even in the demographics of reddit. Not saying that it's not a scam, but if I were designing a scam, I'd pick something else.


          Desrtopa on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

This is a significant point against picking cryonics, but on the other hand, it does give a convenient excuse for the person to do away with the online persona afterwards without raising additional suspicions and needing to answer any further questions.

Also, the more potential donors you attract, the more investigators you're also likely to attract. If I were designing a scam, I probably wouldn't pick cryonics, but I also wouldn't go for something that attracted as many benefactors as possible because it would increase my risk of being found out.


          STL on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Hi Kim, I'm Stephan. Your story hit me harder than probably anyone else here - I'm 29, I intend to sign up for cryonics in the next few years, and glioblastoma multiforme has killed two of my ancestors: my maternal grandmother when I was very young, and my dad in 2010. If I were diagnosed with GBM now, much less at 23, I'd be mewling like a kitten in terror. I am truly sorry to hear of the shitty hand that nature has dealt you.

I will donate $5,000 when CI manages a fund for you (like JGWeissman said).

While some people have been offering you terrible "advice" on Reddit, I swear that this is completely different - I want to point out two important things that you may have missed. (Obviously, you haven't had a ton of time to look into your options here!)

  • CI's fee structure is confusing. I've been looking at Alcor, so I'm not very familiar with CI, but you appear to have created a Yearly membership ($75 one-time initiation fee, plus $120 per-year membership). With this membership, you need $35,000 for cryopreservation. There's another kind of membership, the Lifetime membership. That has a $0 initiation fee and a $1,250 one-time membership fee, after which cryopreservation is $28,000.

The Yearly membership makes sense for people who can't scrape together $1,250 at the beginning. But for your purposes, the Yearly membership is significantly more expensive.

The good news is that you can reduce the amount you'll need to raise from $35,195 to $29,250: "Yearly Membership members may switch to Lifetime Membership at any time, by paying the $1,250 Lifetime membership fee. If Yearly Member decides to covert to a Lifetime Membership, all Yearly Membership payments paid in the year prior to the conversion date can be counted toward the one-time Lifetime Membership fee of $1,250.00. This means that the $75.00 Initiation Fee can only be applied to the Lifetime Membership fee during the first year of Yearly Membership."

  • Unlike Alcor, CI's basic membership doesn't include "Standby" - CI presents it as a significantly more expensive feature that you can add for $88,000 (in fact, you must set it up with a separate organization, Suspended Animation). CI has a pros/cons page about this. Alcor's $80,000 neurocryopreservation includes Standby. If your fundraising is wildly successful, you should definitely consider it.

          JGWeissman on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

I intend to sign up for cryonics in the next few years

Why not sign up now? To get started, just fill out this form and Rudi Hoffman will find insurance policies for you and walk you through the rest of the process. (You have clearly put some research into this, so if you have some other path, take it, but "the next few years" is too vague of a time frame for you to ever decide "now is the time to do it".)


          STL on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

I'm not completely irrational. The primary roadblock is not my paperwork allergy (which is admittedly intense) but the fact that I like to completely think through major decisions. My financial situation is unlike most people's, and insurance may not be optimal for me. While researching Kim's options, I looked at Alcor's funding methods closely for the first time, and a trust may be best for me. I try to collect other data, like this found today. Then it all goes into my brain, I heavily weight whatever Luke thinks, and bam - decision. Then I procrastinate on paperwork.


          JGWeissman on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Welcome.

I plan to donate when CI manages a fund. I appreciate your understanding that I want to be careful. (And set up the right incentives for future cases. I'm pretty confident you are legit.) (ETA: There is now a fund set up by the Society for Venturism, and I have made my donation through them.)

You had mentioned on your Reddit post that your boyfriend is supportive of your decision to pursue cryonics. Is he interested in cryonics for himself? Cryonics is much more affordable when you set things up when you are young and healthy, he may be able to do it on his own. I have been figuring out ways to get interested people to actually do this (and it turns it to be really easy), and I'm sorry I didn't figure this out and meet you earlier, when you were thinking about cryonics but not yet diagnosed. You actually inspired me to post about that now instead of waiting to see how many people I got to start made it through the whole process.


          LukeStebbing on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

If you're planning on it, you should get on it now. Cryonics is much more affordable if you don't have a terminal illness and can cover it with a policy.


          MixedNuts on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Cryonics promotion. We (I, at any rate) want cryonics to be easier to sign up for, for mostly selfish reasons. An additional patient decreases somewhat the financial and social costs of cryonics, and a case that brings publicity (Reddit is big) of an overwhelmingly positive kind (Kim is a cute girl begging for help) will directly lower the social cost and attract new patients. I took the money from my ice cream budget, not my altruistic one.


          Jonathan_Graehl on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

If I understand you correctly, whenever an opportunity of this efficacy is available for promoting cryonics (or plastination, or life extension) that it becomes your top-quality marginal charitable dollar. Or perhaps you're saying merely that it's decent charity, enough to justify rolling with the emotional attachment to an individual.

Someone on IRC suggested I fund the Brain Preservation prize Robin Hanson posted about rather than sign up for cryonics now, since I'm pretty sure current practice just won't work at all and I want to advance the state of the art.


          Jonathan_Graehl on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Oh. I missed that you considered cryonics promotion selfish more than charitable. My fault.


          Mitchell_Porter on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

a justification of some kind

If we accept the original framework of "you're allowed 95% utilons and 5% non-utilons", then it can still fall under the "allowed non-utilon" category.

If we were to take the other option and try to defend this as an optimal expenditure of money, it might be defended as an act of civilization-building. None of the charities you list will decide the fate of the world; they all depend on the existence somewhere else of a functioning self-sufficient society with spare capacity. Frankly, if you really do take the big picture, it is far from clear that any of those activities matter very much. Civilizational directions are not usually set by what happens in the most unfortunate places.

So if we swing to a different extreme and consider whether high-tech futurist activities might be the best place to spend money, then there's a different challenge - why spend your money on helping to make a single cryonic suspension happen, rather than on FAI research, brain modeling, or wherever you think the most neglected area is.

But actions of a different kind also matter. People who are attuned to these topics need to shake off the distractions of an uncomprehending world and remind themselves of why they took the ideas seriously to begin with. One step leads to another. Unless we just have a singularity first, a day is going to come when there's a lot more than just one desperate person, out of the 100,000 who die every day, seeking cryonic suspension.

When it really, finally dawns on the human race at large that cryonics might work, that a slightly more advanced medicine might cure most causes of death even without cryonics, etc., there is going to be mayhem. Sorting out a rational balance now between self-preservation, conventional charity, and futurist charity may do a little to alleviate that mayhem when it arrives; and it's clear that none of these activities should be wholly absent in the right balance. So we absolutely need to figure out how to accommodate something like Kim's situation into our "optimizing", rather than just putting it to one side.


          othercriteria on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Conditional on cryonics being successful, the present life expectancy is not that relevant in determining lifetime productivity...


          army1987 on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Conditional on cryonics being successful, immortality for living, non-frozen people would most likely be successful too, and kids in malaria-infested area, if saved by mosquito nets, would be likely to survive to that day. (And personally I think negligible senescence is more likely to be achieved in the next half century or so than reanimation of cryonic patients to be achieved ever.)

So, unless there's some reason to believe that 1) reanimation of cryonic patients will eventually be achieved, but 2) that won't happen before children living today will be dead, and 3) that cryonic preservation won't get much cheaper in the future than it is today, you are more likely to save a life forever by donating $X to the AMF than $X to this girl on Reddit (even conditional on this not being a scam).


          Eudoxia on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

She might be able to afford a lower-quality alternative, but nothing other than plastination seems to show any chance of reversibility. And plastination, to the best of my knowledge, has only been shown to work on thin slices of tissue.

As an example, Thomas Sullivan's brain was chemopreserved by his son, and was later transferred to LN2. And brain-only chemopreservation may turn out to be better for her future chances than vitrification at CI, considering the kind of errors CI has on its record.


          Jonathan_Graehl on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Here, have some warm fuzzies.

Though I do agree that this case is probably good exposure for cryonics.


          Venezuela Is Like ... (Part II) posted by Anna Gelpern        

Venezuela Is Like ... (Part II)

posted by Anna Gelpern
Last time on Super-Sad Updates, I speculated (i) that the Venezuelan people could be in for more suffering and bondholders for more coupon payments (see Romania), (ii) that Venezuela’s complex debt stock was prone to shell games and inter-creditor conflicts, which could delay a workout (see Puerto Rico), and (iii) that a bet on PDVSA bonds over sovereign bonds today required too many assumptions to hold my shrinking attention span (but see Turkmenistan … or not). Now I try to imagine what might happen if the government did decide to restructure. It brings back memories of …

Argentina
Those who never want to hear the words “pari passu” again should skip the next three paragraphs.  Gluttons for punishment, please read on.
Some Venezuelan bonds have pari passu clauses like those that let a few of Argentina’s creditors block payments to the rest. These bonds have no Collective Action Clauses (CACs), so that changing key terms requires unanimous creditor consent. Pari passu did not rate as key back when the bond contracts were drafted, which must be why it can be mangled with a simple majority vote. In a bond exchange, Venezuela can ask participating creditors to vote to make the pari passu clause in their old bonds worthless to holdouts. Such “exit consents” targeting pari passu would benefit participating creditors directly, by shielding the new payment streams from Argentina-style ambush. They are a small ask compared to, say, exit consents to switch the obligor on the old bonds.
In addition to its CAC-less old bonds, Venezuela has two flavors of CAC bonds, with 75% and 85% voting thresholds. These have less vulnerable pari passu clauses, but also less scope for exit consents. All else equal, the 85% bonds are harder to amend, but word is that would-be free-riders already have 15+% blocking positions in them. Anyone who holds these bonds could be in for a long ride: enforcement lawsuits took fifteen years to bear fruit in Argentina, and left behind a trail of regret and defensive learning.
Rounding out the tour, PDVSA’s bonds are too hard and too loose at the same time. They require unanimous consent to amend most key terms outside bankruptcy, but seem to allow the debtor to substitute another obligor, even a near-empty shell, with a simple majority vote. The courts would have a lot to chew on here, and might take their time chewing.
From a free-rider’s perspective, contract weeds are most valuable when they help you escape default altogether (see Greece) or get a quick side payment. Especially as money gets dear, protracted court battles are unappealing. A quick deal is likely when holdouts are a small part of total debt, and when the debtor really wants to move on from the crisis (see Peru). At the other extreme, when the government has no political room to settle—when foreign court rulings take center stage in domestic politics and domestic political rhetoric becomes foreign court bait—even the strongest contracts cannot break the impasse. Settlement takes a new government, which is so eager to move on that it risks giving away the store. In Argentina and elsewhere, contract terms seem to do more work to implement a sovereign’s political choices than to constrain them.
Two other aspects of the Venezuela story bear watching in light of Argentina. On July 14, Canadian firm Crystallex got a federal court in New York to block China’s Haitong Securities from selling $5 billion in  weird Venezuelan bonds initially issued in December; Crystallex would now try to seize the bonds on the theory that they were assets of the republic. A similar “liabilities are assets” argument was raised unsuccessfully by creditors who tried to block Argentina’s 2005 restructuring. Although it failed, it delayed the closing by a few months. Venezuela might be in a weaker position than Argentina: the target bonds are performing debt that Venezuela allegedly planned to sell for cash. Argentina had promised to cancel its old defaulted bonds as part of its 2005 restructuring. The fact that the Crystallex injunction would not have major collateral consequences also seems to cut against Venezuela. Back in 2005, U.S. courts did not decide whether the Argentina’s liabilities could also be attachable assets; they simply refused to derail a debt exchange that was clearly vital for Argentina’s recovery. Depending on how the Haitong episode plays out, it may solidify the view that the debtor’s own bonds are attachable assets. This in turn would call for extra care in executing debt exchanges, notably the proposed â€œcryonic” solution, which relies on parking the bonds tendered in an exchange with a trustee.
Last but not least, Venezuela has not had an IMF Article IV review since 2004, and has since progressively shut down economic data releases, most recently those bearing on inflation. If it decides to return to the IMF fold before tackling the debt problem, it would have to produce decent statistics in short order or face the wrath of the board, recently visited on Argentina.
Iraq
The data challenge was also extreme in post-Saddam Iraq, which ( like Venezuela) had a heap of obscure and poorly documented supplier credits and inter-governmental arrangements that were hard to classify and vulnerable to manipulation. Officials and advisers said they spent more time on data reconciliation than on any other aspect of the debt settlement. Nonetheless, the Iraq debt episode is more famous for reviving the Odious Debt theory than for data reconciliation.
Odious Debt holds roughly that debt incurred by rulers without the consent of the governed and not for their benefit is not binding on the people; it is personal to the rulers. The practical effect could be to allow a successor government to repudiate with impunity. (This is one of several symposia on the subject published at the time along with books and countless articles on the topic.) The idea of Odious Debt has been powerful in civil society campaigns and academic writing; it has influenced restructuring outcomes, but has not quite coalesced as a doctrine of international law.
The question of treating some or all of the Maduro government borrowing as effectively odious (if by another name) has been floated more than once. Iraq’s experience suggests that with robust political support, Venezuela could press for substantial debt relief on economic and geostrategic grounds, and let the Odious Debt argument color the background of negotiations with creditors who firmly reject it as a formal doctrine.
The debt that comes closest to odium according to a former Iraqi finance minister remains unresolved more than a decade after it had settled with most other public and private creditors (see p. 7 of this). Debt to the Gulf states is poorly documented, complicated, and contested – there is even disagreement over its character as debt (but see here). This history of irresolution might caution against complicated financing arrangements with other governments, which dominate Venezuela’s borrowing strategy now.
Finally, Iraq like Venezuela relies on its oil exports. Tankers filled with state-owned oil are fat targets for creditors trying to collect (seizing tall ships is more of a nuisance move). Iraq got bankruptcy-style breathing space under a May 2003 U.N. Security Council Resolution shielding its hydrocarbons from attachment. National governments in major financial jurisdictions, including the United States and the UK, adopted domestic measures to give effect to the shield. Nonetheless, the shield was temporary and hardly generalizable against the background of the invasion and occupation of Iraq; the extraordinary measure testifies to the seriousness of the attachment problem in the eyes of coalition governments.
Assuming Venezuela does not secure an Iraq-style shield in time for its debt talks, it would have to structure the legal and logistical aspects of its oil sales to avoid throngs of creditors armed with attachment orders from multiple jurisdictions. By way of a preview, a Russian shipping firm trying to collect unpaid bills from Venezuela got a St. Maarten court to bless its seizure of one tanker in October 2016; the oil was released five months later, but the enforcement proceedings continue in the United Kingdom. Which brings to mind …
Ukraine
Russia’s recent loans and investments in Venezuela are putting it on a path to overtake China one day. Its financial engagement is essential to keep the Maduro government afloat, but as the seized tanker episode suggests, it is not all about charity. Russia had bought $3 billion of bonds from Ukraine in December 2013, also to support a friendly government. When that government collapsed, Russia annexed Crimea, and Ukraine sought a debt restructuring, Russia held out and sued Ukraine in London; for now, it is winning. In Ukraine and in Venezuela, the Russian government appears to manage a portfolio of financial, economic, and security claims: each bit creates leverage for the others; all may settle one day in a grand compromise.
Until then, the nature, volume, and treatment of Venezuela’s government-to-government debt remain obscure. From the government’s perspective, the challenge is to ensure continued support at a manageable price and to avoid having official creditors hold out and disrupt restructuring, From private creditors’ perspective, the question is whether Russia and China would escape restructuring. Historically, official bilateral creditors have done worse than private creditors; however, sovereign restructuring institutions have changed to the point where exceptions look more likely, particularly when government actors use heterogeneous commercial contracts and are not deeply invested in the Paris Club. In light of Venezuela’s growing dependence on Russia and China and their growing exposure, it is reasonable to assume that they would be among the first to collect.
Extending the earlier assumption that any Venezuelan debt restructuring would come under the auspices of the IMF, it would test the Fund’s new policy on arrears to official creditors, which was partly prompted by the Russia-Ukraine standoff. The policy allows the IMF to lend to a country that is running arrears to other official creditors, but makes an exception when lending into arrears would jeopardize financing for the program. The bigger the creditor, the more essential to financing the program, and the more likely to escape default. Again, this suggests that Russia and China are not especially exposed in any debt restructuring.
I will leave debt sustainability analysis and program financing needs to the economists, except to note that Venezuela’s IMF quota is around $5 billionannual access limit is 145% of the quota; and cumulative limit is 435%. This seems unlikely to cover any plausible program financing needs, especially if the economy keeps deteriorating. If Venezuela gets exceptional access, then the only way in which it escapes any debt restructuring is if IMF staff judge its debt to be “sustainable with high probability.” If the probability is not high, the debt would have to be restructured or “reprofiled” (stretched out). In either case, this is when all the contract and bankruptcy stuff will finally take over, and Venezuela will be like … Venezuela.

          ã€ï¼ƒï¼” 体幹・パワー領域とサドル】アズマのフィッター日記 ~S-WORKS販売日本一のショップが贈る フィッティングサービス~        
#4 体幹・パワー領域とサドル ~New Power サドル~ 2017/7/13
いつもありがとうございます。 FORZAの東(アズマ) です。
なんだか、とてもご無沙汰。になってしまいました(汗)
全日本選手権前のバタバタバタバターっとしたサポートの時間を
少しだけ言い訳にさせて頂きます。
 
サポートの機会をもと得られた経験は、皆様にフィードバックしていきたいと思います。
さて、話しをフィッティングの話しに戻しましょう。
SPECIALIZED 2018モデル。 Tarmac だけじゃないですよ(*^^*)
というシリーズ。ではないのですが、楽しみなアイテムが多数なSPECIALIZEDです。
S-WORKS POWER ARC ¥27,000(税込)
すでに、ネット上での記事なので目にしたことがある方も多いと思われます。
SPECIALIZEDでダントツの人気を誇るパワーサドルのNewモデルです。
これまでのパワーサドルと比較すると、
 å°‘しトラディショナルな感じのシェイプにシフトしており、
ペダリング時の内腿の擦れを低減させる方向にデザインされている。
そして、約20gも軽量♪という点は、注目されていることと思います。


しかしながら、個人的には、クッション性が向上している♪♪
という点に注目しています。
※動画ではわかりにくいかもしれませんが。
POWERサドルのフィーリングは非常に気に入っているけども、
坐骨へのコンタクトの硬さが気になる。。。というか痛い。。。
そんな理由で、S-WORKSモデルの使用を断念し、Expertモデルをお使い頂いていた
お客様も少なからずいらっしゃいました。
⇒比してS-WORKSはパッディングは薄くなるものの、
 しなりがあるためクッション性は十分♪というお客様もいらっしゃいます。
そんな、「ちょっと、、、痛いねん、、、」という印象をお持ち頂いていた
S-WORKSモデルが、従来のExpertモデルと同等。それ以上?のクッション性を持って
POWER ARC として新登場したわけです。

まだ、私自身使っていませんが、幅的には極端に実効幅が狭くなるわけではありませんので
ほぼ、同じ幅で使っていただけるのでは?と想像しています。
またパワーメーターをお使いのお客様でしたら、3.5倍20分以上的なパワー領域で
(出力で)登られる方においては、サドルへの体重の荷重は大きく無いことが想像されますので、
この場合においても、実効幅は若干狭いことは問題になってこないと考えます。

坐骨幅を測定してサイズを選択する。というのは、もちろん王道でありますが。
それ以上に細いものを検討する。というシチュエーションにおいては、
どのくらいサドルに荷重する乗り方をしているか?ということは、
サドル幅の決定に大きく寄与するファクターと思います。

いわゆる体幹でしっかり状態を支えてペダリングが出来ている方と、
どかっと座ってしまっているライダーの方では、、、、?

また、平均時速37km/hで1時間走れるライダーの方が、
あえて、平均時速20km/hで走ったとすると、お尻は、、、???

やっぱり痛くなる。という方は少なくないと思います。

つまるところ、坐骨幅以外に、サドルの形状を考える要素は多分にある。
ということになると思います。どんな乗り方をしているか?
どんな乗り方をしているときの快適性能が欲しいのか?

そういった視点で改めてサドルを検討いただけると、
ご自身のより良いパフォーマンスを引き出していただくことにもつながるのでは?と思います。

フィッティングも随時、御予約を承っております。

気軽に御相談ください。

forzatsukuba@gmail.com


#3 Why? 意識の大切さ 2017/5/24
いつもありがとうございます。 FORZAの東(アズマ) です。
この日は、バイク購入前のフレームサイズ確認のためのFittingでした。
トライアスロン復帰。ということで
一度、手放されたロードバイクを改めて準備するべく
サイズ確認にお越しいただきましたM先生です。
息子はじめ、東家のかかりつけ医としてもいつもお世話になっています。
いつもありがとうございます。
お仕事が忙しくしばらく乗られていなかった。
ということと、私自身のフィッティングスキルのアップデイトもありましたので、
事前のポジション確認は必須であります。
⇒しばらくフィッティングを行っておらず、フレームの買い替え。というお客様についても
 かならずサイズ確認をさせていただいております。新しいポジションを試すチャンス。
 より良いライディングポジションを模索するチャンス。そんな貴重な機会です。


まずは、さっとまたがっていただいただけ。
M先生。少し身体硬めという意識をお持ちですが、とくに大きく違和感はなく。
こんなところ。といった印象。 しかしながら、少しハンドルが遠そう。
肩周りに緊張が見られる。といった初見がうかがえます。
⇒この時点では、お客様には初見をお伝えしません。意識してしまうと調整後に
 うまく変化できない。可能性があるからです。

まずは、オーガニックな状態で、初期の状態を確認させていただきます。

それから、各部を確認させていただき、調整させていただきました。
さらに、少しだけ意識を変えていただきました。 
すると、、、、



少し遠いなぁ、と思っていたブラケット(レバー)までの距離感は、
急に近くなってしまいました。

一体、何を調整したでしょうか?

実は、、、 サドル後退幅が基本の位置よりも前乗りになっていたので、
10mmほど後退させました。

そうです。 ハンドルから、遠くなる方向に調整させていただいたのです。

Why ? Why ? Why ?

これがFittingServiceの醍醐味でもあると思います。
バイクフィッティングがエンターテイメントになる瞬間?そんな感じです。

あくまで、フレームサイズを確認するための事前確認。
ですので、15分程度のさっとした確認です。

もっと、ディープな世界に興味のあるかたは、フルタイプのフィッティングを御用命下さい。
プロショップのお仕事をさせていただくと、度々、お医者様がお客様。
というシチュエーションがございます。相手は、医療分野での身体のプロです。

しかしながら、バイクフィッティグに関しては、私達がプロです。
遠慮なく、物怖じせず。お伝えできることはお伝えさせていただきます(^o^)

バイクの購入をお考え。フレームの入替えをご検討のお客様は遠慮なく御相談ください。
下記のメールアドレスをクリックしてお問い合わせいただけると、
この記事を読んでいただいたお客様からのお問い合わせ。ということが判るので幸いです。

forzatsukuba@gmail.com



#2 S-WORKS販売日本一のショップが贈る フォローフィッティングサービス 2017/5/14
いつもありがとうございます。 FORZAの東(アズマ) です。
このところ、クイックなフォローフィッティングの御依頼が増えています。
⇒納車後やフルのフィッティングサービス後のクイックなフィッティングを
 フォローフィットと呼ばせて頂いております。

日曜は、S-WORKS VENGE オーナーのS様。
先週、S-WORKS SHIV でやはり、フィッティングの見直しをさせていただきました。

先日のPioneerのセミナーのフィードバックも組み込ませていただきつつ。
臀部、ハムストリングスといった大腿四頭筋以外の大きな筋肉の動員。
をよりスムーズに行っていただけるように。ということが今回のポイントでした。

SHIVのフォローフィットから一週間明けて。よいフィードバックをいただきつつ、
VENGEのフォローフィットに臨ませていただきました。
最初、拝見した際には、課題となっていた骨盤倒しすぎない。
体幹で支えるという基本的なところは早速、意識いただき自然に姿勢維持できるように
変化されていました。ですので、VENGEでは、大した変化は期待できないかなー?
と、臨んだフィッティングだったのですが、パッド落差20mmアップ。
エアロバー先端までの距離を調整。といったところで、姿勢的には大きな変化となる
フィッティングとなりました♪ 最後のバイクの調整まで含めて約1.5hですかね。

僕にとっても、次回お会いするのが楽しみになる素敵なフィッティグでした。
フィッティングサービスに興味がある方は、下記のメールリンクをクリックして
お問い合わせいただけると幸いです。

forzatsukuba@gmail.com
※上記の写真でご覧いただけるとおり、当店のフィッティングエリアでは、
 Mr. SPECIALIZEDの竹谷賢二さんが目を光らせていますので、
 下手なフィッティングは一切できないようになっております(*^^*)
 安心して御相談ください。



#1 S-WORKS販売日本一のショップが贈る本気のフィッティングサービス 2017/4/28
いつもありがとうございます。 FORZAの東(アズマ) です。

やっと、新しい記事を投稿できました。

文字数が、3000文字超と非常に長い記事になってしまったので。
お時間のある時にゆっくりご覧いただけると幸いです。


おかげさまで、まだまだご注文いただいたバイクの組立は続きますが、
まずは、一区切り。というところに到達できました。

組立作業の傍ら、毎日30分の開店準備の掃除の時間を利用したりしながら
コツコツと店内レイアウトの改善を行ってきました。
アルバイトにも3時間の助けをも
          Follow Up to Acryonym Monday - ISD and TTIP        
On Monday Will pointed to some indication that an investor-state dispute clause may be a sticking point in the much anticipated Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP). As Simon Lester points out, it's not quite clear from the EU TTIP negotiating mandate whether the EU wants to strengthen any ISD or weaken it (ungated version here). Civil society groups are already decrying any ISD as an "assault on democracy, human rights, and the public interest," citing a rise of "expropriation trolls" and that an ISD would prevent the eurozone from having the policy flexibility needed to effectively deal with crises. (see also similar critiques of the Trans Pacific Partnership here)

Typically, discussions of ISDs focus on the preferences and bargaining power of potential investors and potential host governments. The stereotypical case of a potential treaty with an ISD is between an advanced industrialized country and an emerging economy. Therefore most commentators focus on the extent to which host governments are able to resist pressure from rich countries to cede jurisdiction of investment matters to an international arbitral board. Developing countries that need foreign investment are typically in weak bargaining position vis-a-vie large multinationals who have great powers negotiation on their behalf.

Of course, the power asymmetries that so clearly define most ISD negotiations do not obtain in the US-EU case. What is particularly interesting about these negotiations is the relative parity of negotiation partners. Simon wonders if the EU wants a weak ISD or a strong one. I'd argue that it depends on what sorts of rules an ISD would enforce. Business interests in the EU want the TTIP to export European standards to the US, as this would provide them with an advantage. Of course, US firms want an ISD to protect American investors from European regulations. There's a bunch of political science work that examines how the US and EU compete over regulatory authority: see here, here, here, and here for examples. The bottom line, I think, is that an ISD is going to be a very, very tough sell in the context of a US-EU deal. The EU negotiating mandate still maintains its preference for the inclusion of an ISD clause, but I would not be surprised if a final deal severely restricts the ISD mandate or removes it entirely.
          Cryonics and immortality        
The recent case of a terminally ill 14 year old who won the right to have her body cryonically frozen after death in the hope that science would eventually find a way of restoring her to healthy life raises all kinds of ethical questions about the sustainability of prolonging life indefinitely.But it also highlights age-old philosophical and religious preoccupations with what comes after death and the human desire to live forever. Ernie Rea discusses the quest for Immortality with Natalie Haynes, a Classicist writer and broadcaster; Douglas Davies, Professor in the Study of Religion at the University of Durham, and David Voas, Professor of Social Science at University College, London. Producer: Rosie Dawson.
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Reply toA Tale Of Two Tradeoffs

I'm not comfortable with compliments of the direct, personal sort, the "Oh, you're such a nice person!" type stuff that nice people are able to say with a straight face.  Even if it would make people like me more - even if it's socially expected - I have trouble bringing myself to do it.  So, when I say that I read Robin Hanson's "Tale of Two Tradeoffs", and then realized I would spend the rest of my mortal existence typing thought processes as "Near" or "Far", I hope this statement is received as a due substitute for any gushing compliments that a normal person would give at this point.

Among other things, this clears up a major puzzle that's been lingering in the back of my mind for a while now.  Growing up as a rationalist, I was always telling myself to "Visualize!" or "Reason by simulation, not by analogy!" or "Use causal models, not similarity groups!"  And those who ignored this principle seemed easy prey to blind enthusiasms, wherein one says that A is good because it is like B which is also good, and the like.

But later, I learned about the Outside View versus the Inside View, and that people asking "What rough class does this project fit into, and when did projects like this finish last time?" were much more accurate and much less optimistic than people who tried to visualize the when, where, and how of their projects.  And this didn't seem to fit very well with my injunction to "Visualize!"

So now I think I understand what this principle was actually doing - it was keeping me in Near-side mode and away from Far-side thinking.  And it's not that Near-side mode works so well in any absolute sense, but that Far-side mode is so much more pushed-on by ideology and wishful thinking, and so casual in accepting its conclusions (devoting less computing power before halting).

An example of this might be the balance between offensive and defensive nanotechnology, where I started out by - basically - just liking nanotechnology; until I got involved in a discussion about the particulars of nanowarfare, and noticed that people were postulating crazy things to make defense win.  Which made me realize and say, "Look, the balance between offense and defense has been tilted toward offense ever since the invention of nuclear weapons, and military nanotech could use nuclear weapons, and I don't see how you're going to build a molecular barricade against that."

Are the particulars of that discussion likely to be, well, correct?  Maybe not.  But so long as I wasn't thinking of any particulars, my brain had free reign to just... import whatever affective valence the word "nanotechnology" had, and use that as a snap judgment of everything.

You can still be biased about particulars, of course.  You can insist that nanotech couldn't possibly be radiation-hardened enough to manipulate U-235, which someone tried as a response (fyi: this is extremely silly).  But in my case, at least, something about thinking in particulars...

...just snapped me out of the trance, somehow.

When you're thinking using very abstract categories - rough classes low on computing power - about things distant from you, then you're also - if Robin's hypothesis is correct - more subject to ideological bias.  Together this implies you can cherry-pick those very loose categories to put X together with whatever "similar" Y is ideologically convenient, as in the old saw that "atheism is a religion" (and not playing tennis is a sport).

But the most frustrating part of all, is the casualness of it - the way that ideologically convenient Far thinking is just thrown together out of whatever ingredients come to hand.  The ten-second dismissal of cryonics, without any attempt to visualize how much information is preserved by vitrification and could be retrieved by a molecular-level scan.  Cryonics just gets casually, perceptually classified as "not scientifically verified" and tossed out the window.  Or "what if you wake up in Dystopia?" and tossed out the window.  Far thinking is casual - that's the most frustrating aspect about trying to argue with it.

This seems like an argument for writing fiction with lots of concrete details if you want people to take a subject seriously and think about it in a less biased way.  This is not something I would have thought based on my previous view.

Maybe cryonics advocates really should focus on writing fiction stories that turn on the gory details of cryonics, or viscerally depict the regret of someone who didn't persuade their mother to sign up.  (Or offering prizes to professionals who do the same; writing fiction is hard, writing SF is harder.)

But I'm worried that, for whatever reason, reading concrete fiction is a special case that doesn't work to get people to do Near-side thinking.

Or there are some people who are inspired to Near-side thinking by fiction, and only these can actually be helped by reading science fiction.

Maybe there are people who encounter big concrete detailed fictions process them in a Near way - the sort of people who notice plot holes.  And others who just "take it all in stride", casually, so that however much concrete fictional "information" they encounter, they only process it using casual "Far" thinking.  I wonder if this difference has more to do with upbringing or genetics.  Either way, it may lie at the core of the partial yet statistically outstanding correlation between careful futurists and science fiction fans.

I expect I shall be thinking about this for a while.

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          Tomasz_Wegrzanowski on Getting Nearer        

I should probably blog about it, but here's my opinion about cryonics:

1. What are chances that signing up for cryonics will work? I estimate it's really really tiny, 1% or less kind of chance, even if cryonics works some day I might die in a wrong way like in a car accident or by cancer metastasis that will make me lose too much information; or will be frozen in a wrong way; or I won't stay frozen for long enough due to hardware failure, economic crash, or whatever reasons; or future might decide not to unfreeze me; or to modify me too much upon unfreezing etc. Anything goes wrong and it's a fail, and things tend to go wrong with first try of every new technology almost always.

2. What's the benefit if it works? It could be very high like infinite youth in utopian society, but I guess it's most likely to be moderate to high, like a few extra decades of life of someone vaguely like me.

3. What's the cost? I did a quick check and it seemed very high.

The most naively calculated expected utility of that doesn't match the price, with reasonable levels of time discounting and risk aversion it's really a horrible proposition. It's too much of a Pascal's Wager if you think a small chance of a very high win makes cost and risk irrelevant.

SENS sounds like a much more likely way to achieve much very long healthy lifespans. Cryonics depends on success of SENS anyway, it's just a bet that SENS is most likely to occur too late against chance of cryonics failing.

There are alternatives way to increasing your healthy lifespan with high expected return, low risk, and low cost - not smoking and avoiding obesity are the most obvious ones in modern Western societies. Unless you've done all these taking a high cost high risk chance like cryonics seems not much different than going to church every Sunday hoping afterlife really exists.

I wonder what makes you and Robin like cryonics so much. You most likely have much higher estimation of its chances. You might also have a higher estimation of its utility if it works. Or you might have lower estimation of its price, perhaps you have too much money and no idea what to do with it ;-)


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Well, a ban is a hindrance to the extent that a rationalist community could develop more rigorous and testable theories,

You must be new here. ;-)

All kidding aside, this community could develop plenty of rigorous and testable theories. It's just incredibly doubtful that any of them would actually work in practice, for almost any definition of "work", unless they were developed by people who already had practical experience.

In particular, this community is inflicted with massive "should" bias -- i.e. confusing "ought" and "is", while vehemently insisting that things that do work, shouldn't, don't work, should, and coming up with ludicrous explanations for both sets of falsehoods.

See, for example, the recent complaints about "marketing"; e.g. deriding breaking cryonics cost down to $1/day. There's a reason marketers do that... and it's because marketers have forgotten more than most people posting on this site have ever known about overcoming akrasia.

Because, if a marketer can't overcome somebody's akrasia enough to get them to shell out actual money, the marketer doesn't get paid.

That's why I group PUA and marketing under the same heading, of Arts That Work. When they're too far wrong, the marketers don't get paid and the PUAs don't get laid, so there's an inherent control over how far they can stray from the truth. This control does not apply so well to general works of self-help, or to armchair ev-psych theorizing. I actually learned far more about akrasia and motivation from marketers and PUAs than I ever did from self-help books or science papers.

(Btw, the scientific principle behind using per diem breakdown is incredibly relevant to any sort of personal change project, and it involves a statistical rule discovered by Prochaska, Norcross et al regarding the precise number of standard deviations in a person's change of evaluation regarding the pros and cons of a decision that will make them shift from "contemplating" to "acting"... a rule that holds constant across a dozen different kinds of changes, such as quitting smoking, starting an exercise program, etc. Per diem breakdowns are just one of several tools that the adept marketer uses to prompt an individual to make this evaluation shift, though I don't know of any marketers who've made the connection between this statistical rule and the relevant practices. They do know, however, that persuasion must occur in the same sequence that the Prochaska rule says it does.)


          Can't Miss New Novels: March to June 2013        

SPRING 2013




03/01/13
BEING HENRY DAVID
by Cal Armistead
ISBN-13: 978-0807506158
Publisher: Albert Whitman Teen
Pages: 270
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Seventeen-year-old "Hank" has found himself at Penn Station in New York City with no memory of anything --who he is, where he came from, why he's running away. His only possession is a worn copy of Walden, by Henry David Thoreau. And so he becomes Henry David-or "Hank" and takes first to the streets, and then to the only destination he can think of--Walden Pond in Concord, Massachusetts. Cal Armistead's remarkable debut novel is about a teen in search of himself. Hank begins to piece together recollections from his past. The only way Hank can discover his present is to face up to the realities of his grievous memories. He must come to terms with the tragedy of his past, to stop running, and to find his way home.




03/05/13
DEATH DOOM AND DETENTION
Darklight, Book Two
by Darynda Jones
ISBN-13: 978-0312625214
Publisher: St. Martin's Griffin
Pages: 320
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The normal part of Lorelei MacAlister’s life didn’t just slip away quietly the day Jared Kovach came to town. Nope. The normal part of her life shattered. It exploded. It burst into a gazillion shards of fleeting light.

It went out with a bang.

Goodbye normal.

Hello dark and eerie.

While her best friend, Brooklyn, is focusing all of her energy on helping Lorelei hone her abilities, Lorelei is dealing with the reality that Satan’s second in command has taken up residence inside her body. Oh, and the fact that she has a crush on the Angel of Death. But what a beautiful death it is. If those weren’t bad enough, something sinister has come to town and it wants nothing more than to hear Lorelei’s dying breath as it strangles it out of her. Thank goodness the gang has a supernatural champion. But what happens when the only being who can save them switches sides midstream? How can a group of misfits capture one of the most powerful beings ever created? And will they find out how to bring Jared back to them before it’s too late?




03/05/13
DELIRIUM STORIES: HANA, ANNABEL, and RAVEN
Delirium Trilogy Stories
by Lauren Oliver
ISBN-13: 978-0062267788
Publisher: Harper Collins
Pages: 208
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A paperback edition of three Delirium short stories that were previously available only digitally: Hana, Annabel, and Raven. 

For the first time, Lauren Oliver’s short stories about characters in the Delirium world appear in print. Originally published as digital novellas, Hana, Annabel, and Raven each center around a fascinating and complex character who adds important information to the series and gives it greater depth.

Hana is told through the perspective of Lena’s best friend, Hana Tate. Set during the tumultuous summer before Lena and Hana are supposed to be cured, this story is a poignant and revealing look at a moment when the girls’ paths diverge and their futures are altered forever.

Lena’s mother, Annabel, has always been a mystery—a ghost from Lena’s past. Until now. Her journey from teenage runaway to prisoner of the state is a taut, gripping narrative that expands the Delirium world and illuminates events—and Lena—through a new point of view.

And as the passionate, fierce leader of a rebel group in the Wilds, Raven plays an integral role in the resistance effort and comes into Lena’s life at a crucial time. Crackling with intensity, Raven is a brilliant story told in the voice of one of the strongest and most tenacious characters in the Delirium world.

This collection also includes an excerpt from Requiem, the final novel in Lauren Oliver’s New York Times bestselling series.



03/05/13
THE HOLDERS
Holders, Book One
by Julianna Scott
ISBN-13: 978-1908844439
Publisher: Strange Chemistry
Pages: 320
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17-year-old Becca spent her whole life protecting her brother from, well, everything. The abandonment of their father, the so called 'experts' who insist that voices in his head are unnatural and must be dealt with, and the constant threat of being taken away to some hospital and studied like an animal. When two representatives appear claiming to have the answers to Ryland's perceived problem, Becca doesn't buy it for one second. That is until they seem to know things about Ryland and about Becca and Ryland's family, that forces Becca to concede that there may be more to these people than meets the eye. Though still highly skeptical, Becca agrees to do what's best for Ryland.

What they find at St. Brigid's is a world beyond their imagination. Little by little they piece together the information of their family's heritage, their estranged Father, and the legend of the Holder race that decrees Ryland is the one they've been waiting for. However, they are all--especially Becca--in for a surprise that will change what they thought they knew about themselves and their kind.

She meets Alex, a Holder who is fiercely loyal to their race, and for some reason, Becca and Ryland. There's an attraction between Becca and Alex that can't be denied, but her true nature is destined to keep them apart, making Becca question everything she ever believed to be true.

Becca is lost, but found at the same time. Can she bring herself to leave Ryland now that he's settled and can clearly see his future? Will she be able to put the the feelings she has for Alex aside and head back to the US? And can Becca and Ryland ever forgive their father for what he's done?




03/05/13
INFATUATE
Gilded Wings, Book Two
by Aimee Agresti
ISBN-13: 978-0547626154
Publisher: Harcourt Children's Books
Pages: 416
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Haven Terra is still recovering from an internship that brought her literally to the brink of hell when a trip to New Orleans leads to more trouble. There, while taking part in a student volunteer program, Haven and her friends Dante and Lance run across an enclave of devils known as the Krewe.

These shape-shifting devils are more reckless and vicious than any Haven, Lance, and Dante have encountered. Yet the friends soon discover that their French Quarter housemates are also angels in training, and together they must face off with the Krewe in their quest for wings.

But Haven’s resolve is tested when Lucian, the repentant devil with whom she was infatuated, resurfaces and asks her for help escaping the underworld. Can he be trusted? Or will aiding him cost Haven her angel wings—and her life?

03/05/13
LEGACY OF THE CLOCKWORK KEY
Secret Order of Modern Amusementists, Book One
by Kristin Bailey
ISBN-13: 978-1442440265
Publisher: Simon Pusle
Pages: 416
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When a fire consumes Meg's home, killing her parents and destroying both her fortune and her future, all she has left is the tarnished pocket watch she rescued from the ashes. But this is no ordinary timepiece. The clock turns out to be a mechanical key-a key only Meg can use- that unlocks a series of deadly secrets and intricate clues that Meg has no choice but to follow. She has uncovered evidence of an elite secret society and a dangerous invention that some will stop at nothing to protect, and that Meg alone can destroy. Together with the handsome stable hand she barely knows but hopes she can trust, Meg will be swept into a hidden world of deception, betrayal, and revenge. The clockwork key has unlocked her destiny. 


Kristin Welker’s YA debut, THE CLOCKWORK KEY, a clockpunk romantic adventure set in Victorian England about a girl who unravels the secrets of a mysterious society of inventors and their most dangerous creation.




03/05/13
LET THE SKY FALL
Let the Sky Fall, Book One
by Shannon Messenger
ISBN-13: 978-1442450417
Publisher: Simon Pulse
Pages: 416
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Seventeen-year-old Vane Weston is the only survivor of the category five tornado that killed his parents. Every night since the storm, a beautiful, dark-haired girl has swept through his dreams. She's the only clue to his past, and he clings to the hope that she's real.

Audra is real, but she's also a sylph. An air elemental. She walks on the wind, can translate its alluring songs, and can even twist it into a weapon. She's also a guardian--Vane's guardian--and has sworn an oath to protect him at all costs. Even if it means sacrificing her own life.

When a hasty mistake reveals their location to the enemy who murdered both of their families, Audra must help Vane remember who he is. He has a power to claim--the secret language of the West Wind, which only he can understand. But unlocking his heritage will also unlock a memory Audra wishes could be erased. And as the storm bears down on them she starts to realize the greatest danger might not be the warriors coming to destroy them, but the forbidden romance that's grown between them.

Set amongst the desert airstreams of Coachella Valley in California, and alive with wonderful wind-swept prose, LET THE SKY FALL is about two teenagers broken by their pasts, divided by their futures, and bound by love.




03/05/13
MURMURINGS
by Carly Ann West

ISBN-13: 978-1442441798
Publisher: Simon Pulse
Pages: 384
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A teen girl starts hearing the same voices that drove her sister to commit suicide in this creepy, suspenseful novel.

Everyone thinks Sophie’s sister, Nell, went crazy. After all, she heard strange voices that drove her to commit suicide. But Sophie doesn’t believe that Nell would take her own life, and she’s convinced that Nell’s doctor knows more than he’s letting on.

As Sophie starts to piece together Nell’s last days, every lead ends in a web of lies. And the deeper Sophie digs, the more danger she’s in—because now she’s hearing the same haunting whispers. Sophie’s starting to think she’s going crazy too. Or worse, that maybe she’s not….



03/05/13
THE NIGHTMARE AFFAIR
by Mindee Arnett
ISBN-13: 978-0765333339
Publisher: Tor Teen
Pages: 336 
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16-year-old Dusty Everhart breaks into houses late at night, but not because she’s a criminal. No, she’s a Nightmare. Literally. Dusty is a magical being who feeds on human dreams.

Being the only Nightmare at Arkwell Academy, a boarding school for magickind, and living in the shadow of her mother’s infamy is hard enough. But when Dusty sneaks into Eli Booker’s house, things get a whole lot more complicated. He’s hot, which means sitting on his chest and invading his dreams couldn’t get much more embarrassing. But it does. Eli is dreaming of a murder. The setting is Arkwell.

And then it comes true.

Now the Dusty has to follow the clues--both within Eli’s dreams and out of them--to stop the killer before more people turn up dead. And before the killer learns what she’s up to and marks her as the next target.





03/05/13
THE PRINCE
The Selection novella, 0.5
by Kiera Cass
ISBN-13: 978-0062248169
Publisher: Harper Teen Impulse
Pages: 128
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Before thirty-five girls were chosen to compete in the Selection...

Before Aspen broke America's heart...

There was another girl in Prince Maxon's life...

Don't miss this thrilling 128-page original novella set in the world of the New York Times bestselling novel The Selection. Also features a teaser to The Elite, Kiera Cass's hotly anticipated sequel to The Selection.

"Alright, I want to make things official about The PrinceThe Prince is a novella I wrote to accompany The Selection Trilogy. It’s basically a short story that takes place within the timeline of the first book. The Prince came about mostly because of my wonderful editor, Erica Sussman. As we were editing The Selection, she asked all these fantastic questions. Some of them led me to start looking at things the way other people in the stories would see them. In the end, I wrote two scenes from different POVs, one from Aspen’s and one from Maxon’s. The Prince is taking that scene from Maxon’s perspective and elaborating on it. If you’ve ever wondered what the whole Selection thing looks like through his eyes, then I think you’ll really love this. It will be out exclusively in e-format (which, if you don’t have an e-reader, you can still access on your computer) and should be released March 5, 2013, just before The Selection comes out in paperback." --Kiera Cass' website

03/05/13
RAVEN
A Delirium Story
by Lauren Oliver
ISBN-13: 978-0062267771
Publisher: Harper Collins
Edition: e-book
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This captivating, digital-original story set in the world of Lauren Oliver’s New York Times bestselling Delirium series focuses on Raven, the fiery leader of a rebel group in the Wilds.

As a teenager, Raven fled across the border in a split second, compelled to save the newborn she had found in the garbage—a baby girl left for dead and already blue from the cold. When she and the baby are taken in by a band of rebels in the Wilds, Raven finds herself an outsider within a tight-knit group. The only other newcomer is an untrustworthy boy known as the Thief until he finally earns himself a new name: Tack.
Now, she and Tack are inseparable, committed to each other, to the fledgling rebellion, and to a future together. But as they both take center stage in the fight, Raven must decide whether the dangers of the revolution are worth risking her dreams of a happy, peaceful life with Tack. 
As her story hurtles back and forth between past and present, Raven transforms from a scared girl newly arrived in the Wilds to the tough leader who helps Lena save former Deliria-free poster boy Julian Fineman from a death sentence. Whatever the original mission may have been, Raven abides by a conviction that she believes to her core: you always return for the people you love.

By turns surprising, revelatory, and poignant, Raven’s story enriches the Delirium world and resonates with a voice that is as vulnerable as it is strong.


03/05/13
RATS SAW GOD
by Rob Thomas
ISBN-13: 978-1442459762
Publisher: Simon & Schuster BYR
Pages: 224
Edition: Paperback re-print
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Steve details his descent from bright star to burnout in this newly repackaged edition of the definitive, highly acclaimed novel from the creator of Veronica Mars and Party Down.

Houston, sophomore year: Steve is on top of the world. He and his friends are the talk of the school. He’s in love with a terrific girl. He can even deal with “the astronaut”—a world-famous hero who happens to be his father.San Diego, senior year: Steve is bummed out, drugged out, flunking out. A no-nonsense counselor says he can graduate if he writes a 100-page paper. So Steve starts writing, and as the paper becomes more and more personal, he reveals how a National Merit Scholar has become an under-achieving stoner. And in telling how he got to where he is, Steve discovers how to get to where he wants to be.



03/05/13
REQUIEM
Delirium, Book Three
by Lauren Oliver
ISBN: 978-0062014535
Publisher: Harper Teen
Pages: 400
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Now an active member of the resistance, Lena has been transformed. The nascent rebellion that was under way in Pandemonium has ignited into an all-out revolution in Requiem, and Lena is at the center of the fight. Of Pandemonium, ALA Booklist noted that “like all successful second volumes, this expands the world and ups the stakes, setting us up for the big finale.”

After rescuing Julian from a death sentence, Lena and her friends fled to the Wilds. But the Wilds are no longer a safe haven—pockets of rebellion have opened throughout the country, and the government cannot deny the existence of Invalids. Regulators now infiltrate the borderlands to stamp out the rebels, and as Lena navigates the increasingly dangerous terrain, her best friend, Hana, lives a safe, loveless life in Portland as the fiancée of the young mayor. Requiem is told from both Lena's and Hana’s points of view. The two girls live side by side in a world that divides them until, at last, their stories converge.

With lyrical writing, Lauren Oliver seamlessly interweaves the peril that Lena faces with...



03/05/13
SPELLCASTER
by Claudia Gray
ISBN-13: 978-0061961205
Publisher: Harper Teen
Pages: 256
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From New York Times bestselling author Claudia Gray comes a darkly enchanting new series about a young witch who must conquer an ancient curse.

When Nadia’s family moves to Captive’s Sound, she instantly realizes there’s more to it than meets the eye. Descended from witches, Nadia senses a dark and powerful magic at work in the town. Mateo has lived in Captive’s Sound his entire life, trying to dodge the local legend that a curse has been placed on his family that will cause him to go insane. When the strange dreams Mateo has been having of rescuing a beautiful girl—Nadia—from a car accident come true, he knows he’s doomed.

Despite the forces pulling them apart, Nadia and Mateo must work together to break the chains of his family's terrible curse, and to prevent a disaster that threatens the lives of everyone in the town. Shimmering with magic and mystery, New York Times bestselling author Claudia Gray’s new novel is sure to draw fans of the Hex Hall and Caster Chronicles series, and fans of the hit CW TV show The Secret Circle.




03/05/13
UNDONE
Unraveling 1.5 Novella, an e-book
by Elizabeth Norris
ISBN-13: 978-0062268761
Publisher: Harper Teen Impulse
Pages: 80
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Before the accident. Before their universes collided. Before they fell in love.

Riveting and romantic, Undone: An Unraveling Novella contains three short stories set in the world of Unraveling, the first book in the gripping sci-fi duology by Elizabeth Norris.

Before Ben Michaels saved Janelle Tenner’s life, Janelle saved Ben when he stumbled through an interuniverse portal into a completely new world. That day, he fell in love with the girl of his dreams. And he never forgot her.

Through three stories told from Ben’s point of view, learn how Ben and his friends discovered their ability to travel between worlds, how Ben first met Janelle, and how he pined for her for years before he actually got the chance to meet her, save her life, and capture her heart. And find out what happens to Ben between the cliff-hanger conclusion to Unraveling and the beginning of its heart-stopping sequel, Unbreakable.

"...Three stories from Ben's perspective, one that takes place a year before Unraveling, one that takes place during Unraveling, and one that takes place between Unraveling and Unbreakable...." --from Elizabeth's blog.

03/05/13
UNREMEMBERED
Unremembered, Book One
ISBN-13: 978-0374379919
Publisher: Farrar, Straus, & Giroux BYR 
Pages: 256 pages
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The only thing worse than forgetting her past...is remembering it. 

When Freedom Airlines Flight 121 went down over the Pacific Ocean, no one ever expected to find survivors. Which is why the sixteen-year-old girl discovered floating among the wreckage—alive—is making headlines across the globe.

Although her body is miraculously unharmed, she has no memories of boarding the plane. She has no memories of her life before the crash. She has no memories…period.

No one knows how she survived. No one knows why she wasn’t on the passenger manifest. And no one can explain why her DNA and fingerprints can’t be found in a single database in the world.

Nicknamed “Violet” by the hospital staff because of the unusual color of her intoxicatingly beautiful eyes, the young girl has only two things that connect her to her past: a strange black tattoo on the inside of her left wrist, and an empty locket with a mysterious engraving on the back.

Crippled by a world she doesn’t know, plagued by abilities she doesn’t understand, and haunted by a looming threat she can’t remember, Violet struggles to piece together her forgotten past and discover who she really is. But with every clue only comes more questions. And she’s running out of time to answer them.

Her only hope is a strangely alluring boy who claims to know her from before the crash. Who claims they were in love. But can she really trust him? And will he be able to protect her from the people who have been making her forget?

From popular young adult author, Jessica Brody comes a mesmerizing and suspenseful new series, set in a world where science knows no boundaries, memories are manipulated, and true love can never be forgotten.



03/05/13
WHEN WE WAKE
by Karen Healey
ISBN-13: 978-0316200769
Publisher: Little, Brown & Co. BYR
Pages: 304
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My name is Tegan Oglietti, and on the last day of my first lifetime, I was so, so happy.

Sixteen-year-old Tegan is just like every other girl living in 2027 - she's happiest when playing the guitar, she's falling in love for the first time, and she's joining her friends to protest the wrongs of the world: environmental collapse, social discrimination, and political injustice.

But on what should have been the best day of Tegan's life, she dies - and wakes up a hundred years in the future, locked in a government facility with no idea what happened.

Tegan is the first government guinea pig to be cryonically frozen and successfully revived, which makes her an instant celebrity - even though all she wants to do is try to rebuild some semblance of a normal life. But the future isn't all she hoped it would be, and when appalling secrets come to light, Tegan must make a choice: Does she keep her head down and survive, or fight for a better future?

Award-winning author Karen Healey has created a haunting, cautionary tale of an inspiring protagonist living in a not-so-distant future that could easily be our own.




03/07/13
ORLEANS
by Sheri L. Smith
ISBN-13: 978-0399252945
Publisher: Putnam Juvenile
Pages: 336
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First came the storms.

Then came the Fever.

And the Wall.


After a string of devastating hurricanes and a severe outbreak of Delta Fever, the Gulf Coast has been quarantined. Years later, residents of the Outer States are under the assumption that life in the Delta is all but extinct…but in reality, a new primitive society has been born.

Fen de la Guerre is living with the O-Positive blood tribe in the Delta when they are ambushed. Left with her tribe leader’s newborn, Fen is determined to get the baby to a better life over the wall before her blood becomes tainted. Fen meets Daniel, a scientist from the Outer States who has snuck into the Delta illegally. Brought together by chance, kept together by danger, Fen and Daniel navigate the wasteland of Orleans. In the end, they are each other’s last hope for survival.

Sherri L. Smith delivers an expertly crafted story about a fierce heroine whose powerful voice and firm determination will stay with you long after you’ve turned the last page.



03/12/13
MILA 2.0
Untitled Series, Book One
by Debra Driza
ISBN-13: 978-0062090362
Publisher: Katherine Tegen Books
Pages: 480
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Mila 2.0 is the first book in an electrifying sci-fi thriller series about a teenage girl who discovers that she is an experiment in artificial intelligence.

Mila was never meant to learn the truth about her identity. She was a girl living with her mother in a small Minnesota town. She was supposed to forget her past â€”that she was built in a secret computer science lab and programmed to do things real people would never do.

Now she has no choice but to run—from the dangerous operatives who want her terminated because she knows too much and from a mysterious group that wants to capture her alive and unlock her advanced technology. However, what Mila’s becoming is beyond anyone’s imagination, including her own, and it just might save her life.

Mila 2.0 is Debra Driza’s bold debut and the first book in a Bourne I
          Why Cryonics Makes Sense        

The more I read about cryonics—i.e. freezing yourself after death—the more I realized it's something we should all be talking about.

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          [Meta Monday] Top 10 of Ten Years        
SNNAAAURR, everybody!


My blog is going to be exactly ten years old on Wednesday. 

To celebrate, here are my top 10 of ten years, off the top of my head.



10) Monsters Inc/ Monsters University Abominable Snowman - Leave it to Pixar to make the best ever example of a Yeti in a film.  And he really only has the tiniest of cameos (hence the tenth place). But he makes it count.




He makes a truly excellent plush btw.


P.S. My other fav yeti moment in cinema is Scott Pilgrim's musical patronus.



9) For kids cartoons, the two that come to mind are the super-villain Argost from Secret Saturdays 'cause that was great twist at the end. (Original post and Throwback)


And the wise mentor Frostbite from Danny Phantom gets a mention because he has a Frozen Arm.


A Frozen. Arm.

Respect.


There should have been an action figure of this guy.



8) Artists What Visually Expressed Love for the Shaggy Nepalese Ice-Beast:

Where to start?

Travis Louie won my heart today.



But there are so many other heart-winners:

Carson Ellis
Paz
Celita Murphy
Jason Pruett
Loveandasandwich
Nate Wragg
Jeff McMillan
And on and on.



7) I think my favorite yeti moment in comic books is when Stan Lee put them in the first issue of Silver Surfer (1968).


Yetis, you see, are a metaphor.


Remember, kids:  

"Each and every earthling in his own tragic way, is as much a YETI as those who fight below [i.e. actual yetis]!  Only the outward trappings differ... but all their hearts are filled with fear and dark distrust!"


Yetis just be us, y'all. 

So true, Stan the Man.  So true.

It is unclear whether these yeti are the same as the ones Silver Surfer foster-parented who turned out to be evil manipulating warrior wizards and not yetis at all. If so, I don't know what that does for Stan's metaphor.

Each and every earthling in his own tragic way is as much a warrior wizard pretending to be a yeti?

I guess it still works.



6) For video games, I think the two best are "Yeto and Yeta" from Zelda Twilight Princess



Their love is so sweet.


And "Blizzard" from Primal Rage deserves to share the spot because he is the god of goodness and virtue.

Yes, you got that right: the god of goodness and virtue.

This is a god.



5) I need to give the #5 spot to: Cryonax.

He's a demon prince from Dungeons & Dragons, somebody the aforementioned Blizzard would probably want to take down (in one-on-one, 2D fighting game style).


Cryonax is the most metal entity of all time. Look at him.




4) Weird Al's polka puppet video


Its inclusion needs no explanation.



3) Historical Puns

Yeti Roosevelt

Still not available for purchase though





2) Yeti Crab

Discovered March 22, 2005 - it's real



1) My 3000th post - a time-line of Sixty Years of Yeti Depictions


I made this. It was a lot of work.

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          [link] How do good ideas spread?        
Submitted by Kaj_Sotala • 9 votes • 9 comments

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/07/29/130729fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all

Seems related to many topics discussed on LW, such as the low adoption of cryonics and the difficulty of getting researchers convinced of AI risk.

Four weeks later, on November 18th, Bigelow published his report on the discovery of “insensibility produced by inhalation” in the Boston Medical and Surgical Journal. Morton would not divulge the composition of the gas, which he called Letheon, because he had applied for a patent. But Bigelow reported that he smelled ether in it (ether was used as an ingredient in certain medical preparations), and that seems to have been enough. The idea spread like a contagion, travelling through letters, meetings, and periodicals. By mid-December, surgeons were administering ether to patients in Paris and London. By February, anesthesia had been used in almost all the capitals of Europe, and by June in most regions of the world. [...] Within seven years, virtually every hospital in America and Britain had adopted the new discovery. [...]

Sepsis—infection—was the other great scourge of surgery. It was the single biggest killer of surgical patients, claiming as many as half of those who underwent major operations, such as a repair of an open fracture or the amputation of a limb. [...]

During the next few years, he perfected ways to use carbolic acid for cleansing hands and wounds and destroying any germs that might enter the operating field. The result was strikingly lower rates of sepsis and death. You would have thought that, when he published his observations in a groundbreaking series of reports in The Lancet, in 1867, his antiseptic method would have spread as rapidly as anesthesia.

Far from it. The surgeon J. M. T. Finney recalled that, when he was a trainee at Massachusetts General Hospital two decades later, hand washing was still perfunctory. Surgeons soaked their instruments in carbolic acid, but they continued to operate in black frock coats stiffened with the blood and viscera of previous operations—the badge of a busy practice. Instead of using fresh gauze as sponges, they reused sea sponges without sterilizing them. It was a generation before Lister’s recommendations became routine and the next steps were taken toward the modern standard of asepsis—that is, entirely excluding germs from the surgical field, using heat-sterilized instruments and surgical teams clad in sterile gowns and gloves. [...]

Did the spread of anesthesia and antisepsis differ for economic reasons? Actually, the incentives for both ran in the right direction. If painless surgery attracted paying patients, so would a noticeably lower death rate. Besides, live patients were more likely to make good on their surgery bill. Maybe ideas that violate prior beliefs are harder to embrace. To nineteenth-century surgeons, germ theory seemed as illogical as, say, Darwin’s theory that human beings evolved from primates. Then again, so did the idea that you could inhale a gas and enter a pain-free state of suspended animation. Proponents of anesthesia overcame belief by encouraging surgeons to try ether on a patient and witness the results for themselves—to take a test drive. When Lister tried this strategy, however, he made little progress. [...]

The technical complexity might have been part of the difficulty. [...] But anesthesia was no easier. [...]

So what were the key differences? First, one combatted a visible and immediate problem (pain); the other combatted an invisible problem (germs) whose effects wouldn’t be manifest until well after the operation. Second, although both made life better for patients, only one made life better for doctors. Anesthesia changed surgery from a brutal, time-pressured assault on a shrieking patient to a quiet, considered procedure. Listerism, by contrast, required the operator to work in a shower of carbolic acid. Even low dilutions burned the surgeons’ hands. You can imagine why Lister’s crusade might have been a tough sell.

This has been the pattern of many important but stalled ideas. They attack problems that are big but, to most people, invisible; and making them work can be tedious, if not outright painful. The global destruction wrought by a warming climate, the health damage from our over-sugared modern diet, the economic and social disaster of our trillion dollars in unpaid student debt—these things worsen imperceptibly every day. Meanwhile, the carbolic-acid remedies to them, all requiring individual sacrifice of one kind or another, struggle to get anywhere. [...]

The staff members I met in India had impressive experience. Even the youngest nurses had done more than a thousand child deliveries. [...] But then we hung out in the wards for a while. In the delivery room, a boy had just been born. He and his mother were lying on a cot, bundled under woollen blankets, resting. The room was coffin-cold; I was having trouble feeling my toes. [...] Voluminous evidence shows that it is far better to place the child on the mother’s chest or belly, skin to skin, so that the mother’s body can regulate the baby’s until it is ready to take over. Among small or premature babies, kangaroo care (as it is known) cuts mortality rates by a third.

So why hadn’t the nurse swaddled the two together? [...]

“The mother didn’t want it,” she explained. “She said she was too cold.”

The nurse seemed to think it was strange that I was making such an issue of this. The baby was fine, wasn’t he? And he was. He was sleeping sweetly, a tightly wrapped peanut with a scrunched brown face and his mouth in a lowercase “o.” [...]

Everything about the life the nurse leads—the hours she puts in, the circumstances she endures, the satisfaction she takes in her abilities—shows that she cares. But hypothermia, like the germs that Lister wanted surgeons to battle, is invisible to her. We picture a blue child, suffering right before our eyes. That is not what hypothermia looks like. It is a child who is just a few degrees too cold, too sluggish, too slow to feed. It will be some time before the baby begins to lose weight, stops making urine, develops pneumonia or a bloodstream infection. Long before that happens—usually the morning after the delivery, perhaps the same night—the mother will have hobbled to an auto-rickshaw, propped herself beside her husband, held her new baby tight, and ridden the rutted roads home.

From the nurse’s point of view, she’d helped bring another life into the world. If four per cent of the newborns later died at home, what could that possibly have to do with how she wrapped the mother and child? Or whether she washed her hands before putting on gloves? Or whether the blade with which she cut the umbilical cord was sterilized? [...]

A decade after the landmark findings, the idea remained stalled. Nothing much had changed. Diarrheal disease remained the world’s biggest killer of children under the age of five.

In 1980, however, a Bangladeshi nonprofit organization called brac decided to try to get oral rehydration therapy adopted nationwide. The campaign required reaching a mostly illiterate population. The most recent public-health campaign—to teach family planning—had been deeply unpopular. The messages the campaign needed to spread were complicated.

Nonetheless, the campaign proved remarkably successful. A gem of a book published in Bangladesh, “A Simple Solution,” tells the story. The organization didn’t launch a mass-media campaign—only twenty per cent of the population had a radio, after all. It attacked the problem in a way that is routinely dismissed as impractical and inefficient: by going door to door, person by person, and just talking. [...]

They recruited teams of fourteen young women, a cook, and a male supervisor, figuring that the supervisor would protect them from others as they travelled, and the women’s numbers would protect them from the supervisor. They travelled on foot, pitched camp near each village, fanned out door to door, and stayed until they had talked to women in every hut. They worked long days, six days a week. Each night after dinner, they held a meeting to discuss what went well and what didn’t and to share ideas on how to do better. Leaders periodically debriefed them, as well. [...]

The program was stunningly successful. Use of oral rehydration therapy skyrocketed. The knowledge became self-propagating. The program had changed the norms. [...]

As other countries adopted Bangladesh’s approach, global diarrheal deaths dropped from five million a year to two million, despite a fifty-per-cent increase in the world’s population during the past three decades. Nonetheless, only a third of children in the developing world receive oral rehydration therapy. Many countries tried to implement at arm’s length, going “low touch,” without sandals on the ground. As a recent study by the Gates Foundation and the University of Washington has documented, those countries have failed almost entirely. People talking to people is still how the world’s standards change.

Surgeons finally did upgrade their antiseptic standards at the end of the nineteenth century. But, as is often the case with new ideas, the effort required deeper changes than anyone had anticipated. In their blood-slick, viscera-encrusted black coats, surgeons had seen themselves as warriors doing hemorrhagic battle with little more than their bare hands. A few pioneering Germans, however, seized on the idea of the surgeon as scientist. They traded in their black coats for pristine laboratory whites, refashioned their operating rooms to achieve the exacting sterility of a bacteriological lab, and embraced anatomic precision over speed.

The key message to teach surgeons, it turned out, was not how to stop germs but how to think like a laboratory scientist. Young physicians from America and elsewhere who went to Germany to study with its surgical luminaries became fervent converts to their thinking and their standards. They returned as apostles not only for the use of antiseptic practice (to kill germs) but also for the much more exacting demands of aseptic practice (to prevent germs), such as wearing sterile gloves, gowns, hats, and masks. Proselytizing through their own students and colleagues, they finally spread the ideas worldwide.

In childbirth, we have only begun to accept that the critical practices aren’t going to spread themselves. Simple “awareness” isn’t going to solve anything. We need our sales force and our seven easy-to-remember messages. And in many places around the world the concerted, person-by-person effort of changing norms is under way."

I recently asked BetterBirth workers in India whether they’d yet seen a birth attendant change what she does. Yes, they said, but they’ve found that it takes a while. They begin by providing a day of classroom training for birth attendants and hospital leaders in the checklist of practices to be followed. Then they visit them on site to observe as they try to apply the lessons. [...]

Sister Seema Yadav, a twenty-four-year-old, round-faced nurse three years out of school, was one of the trainers. [...] Her first assignment was to follow a thirty-year-old nurse with vastly more experience than she had. Watching the nurse take a woman through labor and delivery, she saw how little of the training had been absorbed. [...] By the fourth or fifth visit, their conversations had shifted. They shared cups of chai and began talking about why you must wash hands even if you wear gloves (because of holes in the gloves and the tendency to touch equipment without them on), and why checking blood pressure matters (because hypertension is a sign of eclampsia, which, when untreated, is a common cause of death among pregnant women). They learned a bit about each other, too. Both turned out to have one child—Sister Seema a four-year-old boy, the nurse an eight-year-old girl. [...]

Soon, she said, the nurse began to change. After several visits, she was taking temperatures and blood pressures properly, washing her hands, giving the necessary medications—almost everything. Sister Seema saw it with her own eyes.

She’d had to move on to another pilot site after that, however. And although the project is tracking the outcomes of mothers and newborns, it will be a while before we have enough numbers to know if a difference has been made. So I got the nurse’s phone number and, with a translator to help with the Hindi, I gave her a call.

It had been four months since Sister Seema’s visit ended. I asked her whether she’d made any changes. Lots, she said. [...]

She said that she had eventually begun to see the effects. Bleeding after delivery was reduced. She recognized problems earlier. She rescued a baby who wasn’t breathing. She diagnosed eclampsia in a mother and treated it. You could hear her pride as she told her stories.

Many of the changes took practice for her, she said. She had to learn, for instance, how to have all the critical supplies—blood-pressure cuff, thermometer, soap, clean gloves, baby respiratory mask, medications—lined up and ready for when she needed them; how to fit the use of them into her routine; how to convince mothers and their relatives that the best thing for a child was to be bundled against the mother’s skin. But, step by step, Sister Seema had helped her to do it. “She showed me how to get things done practically,” the nurse said.

“Why did you listen to her?” I asked. “She had only a fraction of your experience.”

In the beginning, she didn’t, the nurse admitted. “The first day she came, I felt the workload on my head was increasing.” From the second time, however, the nurse began feeling better about the visits. She even began looking forward to them.

“Why?” I asked.

All the nurse could think to say was “She was nice.”

“She was nice?”

“She smiled a lot.”

“That was it?”

“It wasn’t like talking to someone who was trying to find mistakes,” she said. “It was like talking to a friend.”

That, I think, was the answer. Since then, the nurse had developed her own way of explaining why newborns needed to be warmed skin to skin. She said that she now tells families, “Inside the uterus, the baby is very warm. So when the baby comes out it should be kept very warm. The mother’s skin does this.”

I hadn’t been sure if she was just telling me what I wanted to hear. But when I heard her explain how she’d put her own words to what she’d learned, I knew that the ideas had spread. “Do the families listen?” I asked.

“Sometimes they don’t,” she said. “Usually, they do.”

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          Kaj_Sotala on [link] How do good ideas spread?        

I am not at all sure that these lessons are transferable to cryo or AI risk advocacy.

I felt that the main transferable lesson was the broader point about a change in habits requiring a change in the overall culture. Sometimes you can do it with friendly door-to-door education, but sometimes it requires a broader shift, as with the adoption of antisepsis. That seems like rough evidence of MIRI's and CFAR's efforts at building cultures of thinking about these things in a new manner being a strategy worth pursuing. This article caused me to assign a considerably greater probability to the possibility of CFAR having a major effect than I'd done before.

Also some obvious parallels in that e.g. taking steps to increase AI safety doesn't really provide emotional benefits to current AI researchers, nor does the thought of cryonics provide emotional benefits to most of the people considering signing up, though those points might be relatively well-understood here already.


          private_messaging on [link] How do good ideas spread?        

Friendly person to person part also applies to accepting Jesus as your lord and saviour.

I don't see an important societal level benefit from promoting cryo. The money spent on it are best used elsewhere. Especially as the younger lives that you save now are likely to live till indefinite life extension, under assumptions common among cryonics proponents.

And in any case, those who sign up already try to convince as many others as they can, to keep their cryo provider afloat or fund experiments.


          Gunnar_Zarncke on [link] How do good ideas spread?        

You mention only two concrete topics which have a hard time Therefore I only address these:

Adoption of cryonics

This is one level more difficult than antisepsis because on top of the burdon on the user (financially) there is no observable benefit at all but only a potential future one. And that benefit depends on buying in a certain prediction of the future - namely that sufficiently advanced technology is possible and near.

"Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." --Nils Bohr

There may be good reasons for it but if these require a complex model of the world to understand, then it may look from the outside like a cult you have to buy in and then cryonics looks not much different then other afterlife memes you have to buy.

So until the predictions of the future become evidently plausible or generally accepted you will have difficulties converting laymen - except those that would also bet on pascals wager e.g. a construction that posits very high gains on very small chances. And if you convert these first you will look even more like a cult.

Thus my recommendation is to first convice experts to use cryonics. They are more likely to really understand the predictions. If they sign up for cryonics they will likely spread the word among collegues and that will be your audience.

the difficulty of getting researchers convinced of AI risk.

This is more amenable to the proposed/implied approaches in the post because it explicitly addresses researchers. But it also suffers from the abstract risk. By structure this should also apply to all other extreme risk szenarios.

I wonder if there are success stories like the ones from the article about protection against other extreme but at least really occurring risks like earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanism etc. I seem to remember that tsunami protection was not successfully applied everywhere. Some mention of the Phillipines?

How do you convince a researcher if the risk is so high? I think the difficulty is not in getting a scientist to understand that UFAI can wreak the greatest havoc. The point to bring across is that UFAI is not a hypothetical construction (like the devil from religion which also needs to be believed in) but a construction that can really come about by a reasonable technological path.

And I don't see this path clearly. I see this runaway recursive self-improvement argument. But in the end that is not different from invoking 'emergence'. One needs to quantify this recursive process. But as far as I can tell from Why AI may not foom and esp. the comment http://lesswrong.com/lw/gn3/why_ai_may_not_foom/8nk4 modelling with differential equations seems to be actually avoided. Instead it is appealed to an unmodellability. That I find disturbing to say the least.


          I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        
Submitted by ChrisHallquist • 34 votes • 181 comments

Background:

On the most recent LessWrong readership survey, I assigned a probability of 0.30 on the cryonics question. I had previously been persuaded to sign up for cryonics by reading the sequences, but this thread and particularly this comment lowered my estimate of the chances of cryonics working considerably. Also relevant from the same thread was ciphergoth's comment:

By and large cryonics critics don't make clear exactly what part of the cryonics argument they mean to target, so it's hard to say exactly whether it covers an area of their expertise, but it's at least plausible to read them as asserting that cryopreserved people are information-theoretically dead, which is not guesswork about future technology and would fall under their area of expertise.

Based on this, I think there's a substantial chance that there's information out there that would convince me that the folks who dismiss cryonics as pseudoscience are essentially correct, that the right answer to the survey question was epsilon. I've seen what seem like convincing objections to cryonics, and it seems possible that an expanded version of those arguments, with full references and replies to pro-cryonics arguments, would convince me. Or someone could just go to the trouble of showing that a large majority of cryobiologists really do think cryopreserved people are information-theoretically dead.

However, it's not clear to me how well worth my time it is to seek out such information. It seems coming up with decisive information would be hard, especially since e.g. ciphergoth has put a lot of energy into trying to figure out what the experts think about cryonics and come away without a clear answer. And part of the reason I signed up for cryonics in the first place is because it doesn't cost me much: the largest component is the life insurance for funding, only $50 / month.

So I've decided to put a bounty on being persuaded to cancel my cryonics subscription. If no one succeeds in convincing me, it costs me nothing, and if someone does succeed in convincing me the cost is less than the cost of being signed up for cryonics for a year. And yes, I'm aware that providing one-sided financial incentives like this requires me to take the fact that I've done this into account when evaluating anti-cryonics arguments, and apply extra scrutiny to them.

Note that there are several issues that ultimately go in to whether you should sign up for cryonics (the neuroscience / evaluation of current technology, estimate of the probability of a "good" future, various philosophical issues), I anticipate the greatest chance of being persuaded from scientific arguments. In particular, I find questions about personal identity and consciousness of uploads made from preserved brains confusing, but think there are very few people in the world, if any, who are likely to have much chance of getting me un-confused about those issues. The offer is blind to the exact nature of the arguments given, but I mostly foresee being persuaded by the neuroscience arguments.

And of course, I'm happy to listen to people tell me why the anti-cryonics arguments are wrong and I should stay signed up for cryonics. There's just no prize for doing so.

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          V_V on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Cryonics success is an highly conjunctive event, depending on a number of different, roughly independent, events to happen.

Consider this list:

  • The cryorpreservation process as performed by current cryo companies, when executed perfectly, preserves enough information to reconstruct your personal identity. Neurobiologists and cryobiologists generally believe this is improbable, for the reasons explained in the links you cited.
  • Cryocompanies actually implement the cryorpreservation process susbstantially as advertised, without botching or faking it, or generally behaving incompetently. I think there is a significant (>= 50%) probability that they don't: there have been anecdotal allegations of mis-behavior, at least one company (the Cryonics Institute) has policies that betray gross incompetence or disregard for the success of the procedure ( such as keeping certain cryopatients on dry ice for two weeks ), and more generally, since cryocompanies operate without public oversight and without any mean to assess the quality of their work, they have every incentive to hide mistakes, take cost-saving shortcuts, use sub-par materials, equipment, unqualified staff, or even outright defraud you.

  • Assuming that the process has actually preserved the relevant information, technology for recover it and revive you in some way must be developed. Guessing about future technology is difficult. Historically, predicted technological advances that seemed quite obvious at some point (AGI, nuclear fusion power, space colonization, or even flying cars and jetpacks) failed to materialize, while actual technological improvements were often not widely predicted many years in advance (personal computers, cellphones, the Internet, etc.). The probability that technology many years from now goes along a trajectory we can predict is low.

  • Assuming that the tech is eventually developed, it must be sufficiently cheap, and future people must have an incentive to use it to revive you. It's unclear what such an incentive could be. Revival of a few people for scientific purposes, even at a considerable cost, seems plausible, but mass revival of >thousands frozen primitives?

  • Your cryocompany must not suffer financial failure, or some other significant local disruption, before the tech becomes available and economically affordable. Very few organizations survive more than one century, and those which do, often radically alter their mission. Even worse, it is plausible that before revival tech becomes available, radical life extension becomes available, and therefore people stop signing up for cryonics. Cryocompanies might be required to go on for many decades or centuries without new customers. It's unclear that they could remain financially viable and motivated in this condition. The further in the future revival tech becomes available, the lower the chances that your cryocompany will still exist.

  • Regional or planetary disasters, either natural (earthquake, flood, hurricane, volcanic eruption, asteroid strike, etc.) or human-made (war, economic crisis, demographic crisis due to environmental collapse, etc.) must not disrupt your preservation. Some of these disaster are exceptional, other hit with a certain regularity over the course of a few centuries. Again, the further in the future revival tech becomes available, the lower the chances that a disaster will destroy your frozen remains before.

You can play with assigning probabilities to these events and multiplying them. I don't recommend trusting too much any such estimate due to the fact that it is easy to fool yourself into a sense of false precision while picking numbers that suit whatever you already wanted to believe.
But the takeaway point is that in order to cryonics to succeed, many things have to happen or be true in succession, and the failure of only one of them would make cryonics ultimately fail at reviving you. Therefore, I think, cryonics success is so improbable that it is not worth the cost.


          gothgirl420666 on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

You forgot "You will die in a way that keeps your brain intact and allows you to be cryopreserved".


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

"... by an expert team with specialized equipment within hours (minutes?) of your death."


          jaibot on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

"...a death which left you with a functional-enough circulatory system for cryoprotectants to get to your brain, didn't involve major cranial trauma, and didn't leave you exposed to extreme heat or other conditions which could irretrievably destroy large amounts of brain information. Also the 'expert' team, which probably consists of hobbyists or technicians who have done this at best a few times and with informal training, does everything right."

(This is not meant as a knock against the expert teams in question, but against civilization for not making an effort to get something better together. The people involved seem to be doing the best they can with the resources they have.)


          khafra on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

...Which pretty much rules out anything but death from chronic disease; which mostly happens when you get quite old; which means funding your cryo with term insurance is useless and you need to spring for the much more expense whole life.


          gjm on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

(My version of) the above is essentially my reason for thinking cryonics is unlikely to have much value.

There's a slightly subtle point in this area that I think often gets missed. The relevant question is not "how likely is it that cryonics will work?" but "how likely is it that cryonics will both work and be needed?". A substantial amount of the probability that cryonics does something useful, I think, comes from scenarios where there's huge technological progress within the next century or thereabouts (because if it takes longer then there's much less chance that the cryonics companies are still around and haven't lost their patients in accidents, wars, etc.) -- but conditional on that it's quite likely that the huge technological progress actually happens fast enough that someone reasonably young (like Chris) ends up getting magical life extension without needing to die and be revived first.

So the window within which there's value in signing up for cryonics is where huge progress happens soon but not too soon. You're betting on an upper as well as a lower bound to the rate of progress.


          CarlShulman on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

There's a slightly subtle point in this area that I think often gets missed.

I have seen a number of people make (and withdraw) this point, but it doesn't make sense, since both the costs and benefits change (you stop buying life insurance when you no longer need it, so costs decline in the same ballpark as benefits).

Contrast with the following question:

"Why buy fire insurance for 2014, if in 2075 anti-fire technology will be so advanced that fire losses are negligible?"

You pay for fire insurance this year to guard against the chance of fire this year. If fire risk goes down, the price of fire insurance goes down too, and you can cancel your insurance at will.


          NoSuchPlace on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I don't think that this is meant as a complete counter-argument against cryonics, but rather a point which needs to be considered when calculating the expected benefit of cryonics. For a very hypothetical example (which doesn't reflect my beliefs) where this sort of consideration makes a big difference:

Say I'm young and healthy, so that I can be 90% confident to still be alive in 40 years time and I also believe that immortality and reanimation will become available at roughly the same time. Then the expected benefit of signing up for cryonics, all else being equal, would be about 10 times lower if I expected the relevant technologies to go online either very soon (next 40 years) or very late (longer than I would expect cryonics companies to last) than if I expected them to go online some time after I very likely died but before cryonics companies disappeared.

Edit: Fixed silly typo.


          CarlShulman on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

That would make sense if you were doing something like buying a lifetime cryonics subscription upfront that could not be refunded even in part. But it doesn't make sense with actual insurance, where you stop buying it if is no longer useful, so costs are matched to benefits.

  • Life insurance, and cryonics membership fees, are paid on an annual basis
  • The price of life insurance is set largely based on your annual risk of death: if your risk of death is low (young, healthy, etc) then the cost of coverage will be low; if your risk of death is high the cost will be high
  • You can terminate both the life insurance and the cryonics membership whenever you choose, ending coverage
  • If you die in a year before 'immortality' becomes available, then it does not help you

So, in your scenario:

  • You have a 10% chance of dying before 40 years have passed
  • During the first 40 years you pay on the order of 10% of the cost of lifetime cryonics coverage (higher because there is some frontloading, e.g. membership fees not being scaled to mortality risk)
  • After 40 years 'immortality' becomes available, so you cancel your cryonics membership and insurance after only paying for life insurance priced for a 10% risk of death
  • In this world the potential benefits are cut by a factor of 10, but so are the costs (roughly); so the cost-benefit ratio does not change by a factor of 10

          NoSuchPlace on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

True. While the effect would still exist due to front-loading it would be smaller than I assumed . Thank you for pointing this out to me.


          private_messaging on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Except people do usually compare the spending on the insurance which takes low probability of need into account, to the benefits of cryonics that are calculated without taking the probability of need into account.

The issue is that it is not "cryonics or nothing". There's many possible actions. For example you can put money or time into better healthcare, to have a better chance of surviving until better brain preservation (at which point you may re-decide and sign up for it).

The probability of cryonics actually working is, frankly, negligible - you can not expect people to do something like this right without any testing, even if the general approach is right and it is workable in principle*. (Especially not in the alternative universe where people are crazy and you're one of the very few sane ones), and is easily out-weighted even by minor improvements in your general health. Go subscribe to a gym, for a young person offering $500 for changing his mind that'll probably blow cryonics out of water by orders of magnitude, cost benefit wise. Already subscribed to a gym? Work on other personal risks.

  • I'm assuming that cryonics proponents do agree that some level of damage - cryonics too late, for example - would result in information loss that likely can not be recovered even in principle.

          Adele_L on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

When immortality is at stake, a 91% chance is much much better than a 90% chance.


          private_messaging on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Not if that 1% (seems way over optimistic to me) is more expensive than other ways to gain 1% , such as by spending money or time on better health. Really, you guys are way over-awed by the multiplication of made up probabilities by made up benefits, forgetting that all you did was making an utterly lopsided, extremely biased pros and cons list, which is a far cry from actually finding the optimum action.


          Dentin on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I signed up for cryonics precisely because I'm effectively out of lower cost options, and most of the other cryonicists are in a similar situation.


          private_messaging on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I wonder how good of an idea is a yearly full body MRI for early cancer detection...


          CellBioGuy on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

There are those that argue that it's more likely to find something benign you've always had and wouldn't hurt you but you never knew about, seeing as we all have weird things in us, leading to unnecessary treatments which have risks.


          private_messaging on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

What's about growing weird things?

Here we very often use ultrasound (and the ultrasound is done by the medical doctor rather than by a technician), it finds weird things very very well and the solution is simply to follow up later and see if its growing.


          bogus on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

There are those that argue that it's more likely to find something benign you've always had

This can only decrease the amount of useful information you'd get from the MRI, though - it can't convert a benefit into a cost. After all, if the MRI doesn't show more than the expected amount of weirdness, you should avoid costly treatments.


          army1987 on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

but after cryonics companies disappeared.

ITYM “before”.


          Zaine on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

To keep the information all in one place, I'll reply here.

Cryogenic preservation exists in the proof of tardigrades - also called waterbears - which can reanimate from temperatures as low as 0.15 K, and have sufficient neurophysiological complexity to enable analysis of neuronal structural damage.

We don't know if the identity of a given waterbear pre-cyrobiosis is preserved post-reanimation. For that we'd need a more complex organism. However, the waterbear is idiosyncratic in its capacity for preservation; while it proves the possibility for cyrogenic preservation exists, we ourselves do not have the traits of the waterbear that facilitate its capacity for preservation.

In the human brain, there are billions of synapses - to what neurones other neurones connect, we call the connectome: this informs who you are. According to our current theoretical and practical understanding of how memories work, if synapses degrade even the slightest amount your connectome will change dramatically, and will thus represent a different person - perhaps even a lesser human (fewer memories, etcetera).

Now, let's assume uploading becomes commonplace and you mainly care about preserving your genetic self rather than your developed self (you without most of your memories and different thought processes vs. the person you've endeavoured to become), so any synaptic degradation of subsistence brain areas becomes irrelevant. What will the computer upload? Into what kind of person will your synapses reorganise? Even assuming they will reorganise might ask too much of the hypothetical.

Ask yourself who - or what - you would like to cyropreserve; the more particular your answer, the more science needed to accommodate the possibility.


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

We don't know if the identity of a given waterbear pre-cyrobiosis is preserved post-reanimation. For that we'd need a more complex organism.

How would you design that experiment? I would think all you'd need is a better understanding of what identity is. But maybe we mean different things by identity.


          Zaine on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

We'd need to have a means of differentiating the subject waterbear's behaviour from other waterbears; while not exhaustive, classically conditioning a modified reflexive reaction to stimuli (desensitisation, sensitisation) or inducing LTP or LTD on a synapse, then testing whether the adaptations were retained post-reanimation, would be a starting point.

The problem comes when you try to extrapolate success in the above experiment to mean potential for more complex organisms to survive the same procedure given x. Ideally you would image all of the subjects synapses pre-freeze or pre-cryobiosis (depending on what x turns out to be), then image them again post-reanimation, and have a program search for discrepancies. Unfortunately, the closest we are to whole-brain imaging is neuronal fluorescence imaging, which doesn't light up every synapse. Perhaps it might if we use transcranial DC or magnetic stimulation to activate every cell in the brain; doing so may explode a bunch of cells, too. I've just about bent over the conjecture tree by this point.


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Does the waterbear experience verification and then wake up again after being thawed, or does subjective experience terminate with vitrification - subjective experience of death / oblivion - and a new waterbear with identical memories begin living?


          Zaine on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

We need to stop and (biologically) define life and death for a moment. A human can be cryogenically frozen before or after their brain shuts down; in either case, their metabolism will cease all function. This is typically a criterion of death. However if, when reanimated, the human carries on as they would from a wee kip, does this mean they have begun a new life? resumed their old life after a sojourn to the Underworld?

You see the quandary our scenario puts to this definition of life, for the waterbear does the exact above. They will suspend their metabolism, which can be considered death, reanimate when harsh environmental conditions subside, and go about their waterbearing ways. Again, do the waterbears live a subset of multiple lives within the set of one life? Quite confusing to think about, yes?

Now let's redefine life.

A waterbear ceases all metabolic activity, resumes it, then lumbers away. In sleep, one's state pre- and post-sleep will differ; one wakes up with changed neuronal connections, yet considers themselves the same person - or not, but let's presume they do. Take, then, the scenario in which one's state pre- and post-sleep does not differ; indeed, neurophysiologically speaking, it appears they've merely paused then recommenced their brain's processes, just as the time 1:31:00 follows 1:30:59.

This suggests that biological life depends not on metabolic function, but on the presence of an organised system of (metabolic) processes. If the system maintains a pristine state, then it matters not how much time has passed since it last operated; the life of the system's organism will end only when when that system becomes so corrupted as to lose the capacity for function. Sufficient corruption might amount to one specalated synapse; it might amount to a missing ganglion. Thus cyrogenics' knottiness.

As to whether they experience verification, you'll have to query a waterbear yourself. More seriously, for any questions on waterbear experience I refer you to a waterbear, or a waterbear philosopher. As to whether and to what degree they experience sensation when undergoing cryptobiosis, we can test to find out, but any results will be interpreted through layers of extrapolation: "Ganglion A was observed inhibiting Ganglion B via neurotransmitter D binding postsynaptic alpha receptors upon tickling the watebear's belly; based on the conclusions of Researchers et. al., this suggests the waterbear experienced either mildly positive or extremely negative sensation."


          Benquo on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I think the question was a practical one and "verification" should have been "vitrification."


          Zaine on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I considered that, but the words seemed too different to result from a typo; I'm interested to learn the fact of the matter.

I've edited the grandparent to accommodate your interpretation.


          adbge on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Going under anesthesia is a similar discontinuity in subjective experience, along with sleep, situations where people are technically dead for a few moments and then brought back to life, coma patients, and so on.

I don't personally regard any of these as the death of one person followed by the resurrection of a new person with identical memories, so I also reject the sort of reasoning that says cryogenic resurrection, mind uploading, and Star Trek-style transportation is death.

Eliezer has a post here about similar concerns. It's perhaps of interest to note that the PhilPapers survey revealed a fairly even split on the teletransporter problem among philosophers, with the breakdown being 36.2%/32.7%/31.1% as survive/other/die respectively.

ETA: Ah, nevermind, I see you've already considered this.


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Yes, that post still reflects my views. I should point out again that sleep and many forms of anesthesia don't stop operation of the brain, they just halt the creation of new memories so people don't remember. That's why, for example, some surgery patients end up with PTSD from waking up on the table, even if they don't remember.

Other cases like temporary (clinical) death and revival also aren't useful comparisons. Even if the body is dying, the heart and breathing stops, etc., there are still neural computations going on from which identity is derived. The irrecoverable disassociation of the particle interactions underlying consciousness probably takes a while - hours or more, unless there is violent physical damage to the brain. Eventually the brain state fully reverts to random interactions and identity is destroyed, but clinical revival becomes impossible well before then.

Cryonics is more of a weird edge case ... we don't know enough now to say with any certainty whether cryonics patients have crossed that red line or not with respect to destruction of identity.


          ChrisHallquist on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Most of these issues I was already aware of, though I did have a brief "holy crap" moment when I read this parenthetical statement:

such as keeping certain cryopatients on dry ice for two weeks

But following the links to the explanation, I don't think this impacts considerably my estimate of CI's competence / trustworthiness. This specific issue only affects people who didn't sign up for cryonics in advance, comes with an understandable (if not correct) rationale, and comes with acknowledgement that it's less likely to work than the approach they use for people who were signed up for cryonics before their deaths.

Their position may not be entirely rational, but I didn't previously have any illusions about cryonics organizations being entirely rational (it seems to me cryonics literature has too much emphasis on the possibility of reviving the original meat as opposed to uploading.)


          V_V on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

But following the links to the explanation, I don't think this impacts considerably my estimate of CI's competence / trustworthiness. This specific issue only affects people who didn't sign up for cryonics in advance, comes with an understandable (if not correct) rationale, and comes with acknowledgement that it's less likely to work than the approach they use for people who were signed up for cryonics before their deaths.

"less likely to work" seems a bit of an euphemism. I think that the chances that this works are essentially negligible even if cryopreservation under best condition did work (which is already unlikely).

My point is that even if they don't apply this procedure to all their patients, the fact that CI are offering it means that they are either interested in maximizing profit instead of success probability, and/or they don't know what they are doing, which is consistent with some claims by Mike Darwin (who, however, might have had an axe to grind).

Signing up for cryonics is always buying a pig in a poke because you have no way of directly evaluating the quality of the provider work within your lifetime, therefore the reputation of the provider is paramount. If the provider behaves in a way which is consistent with greed or incompetence, it is an extremely bad sign.


          ChrisHallquist on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Read a bit of Mike Darwin's complaints, those look more serious. I will have to look into that further. Can you give me a better sense of your true (not just lower bound) estimate of the chances there's something wrong with cryonics orgs on an institutional level that would lead to inadequate preservation even if in theory they had a working procedure in theory?


          V_V on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I'm not sure how to condense my informal intuition into a single number. I would say > 0.5 and < 0.9, closer to the upper bound (and even closer for the Cryonics Institute than for Alcor).


          Gunnar_Zarncke on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

For a formula see http://www.alcor.org/Library/html/WillCryonicsWork.html (I do find the given probabilities significantly to optimistic though and lacking and references).


          MugaSofer on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I think there is a significant (>= 50%) probability that they don't: there have been anecdotal allegations of mis-behavior, at least one company (the Cryonics Institute) has policies that betray gross incompetence or disregard for the success of the procedure ( such as keeping certain cryopatients on dry ice for two weeks ), and more generally, since cryocompanies operate without public oversight and without any mean to assess the quality of their work, they have every incentive to hide mistakes, take cost-saving shortcuts, use sub-par materials, equipment, unqualified staff, or even outright defraud you.

Woah, really? This seems ... somewhat worse than my estimation. (Note that I am not signed up, for reasons that have nothing to do with this.)

it is plausible that before revival tech becomes available, radical life extension becomes available, and therefore people stop signing up for cryonics. Cryocompanies might be required to go on for many decades or centuries without new customers. It's unclear that they could remain financially viable and motivated in this condition.

This is a good point that I hadn't heard before.


          handoflixue on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

http://www.alcor.org/cases.html A loooot of them include things going wrong, pretty clear signs that this is a novice operation with minimal experience, and so forth. Also notice that they don't even HAVE case reports for half the patients admitted prior to ~2008.

It's worth noting that pretty much all of these have a delay of at LEAST a day. There's one example where they "cryopreserved" someone who had been buried for over a year, against the wishes of the family, because "that is what the member requested." (It even includes notes that they don't expect it to work, but the family is still $50K poorer!)

I'm not saying they're horrible, but they really come off as enthusiastic amateurs, NOT professionals. Cryonics might work, but the modern approach is ... shoddy at best, and really doesn't strike me as matching the optimistic assumptions of people who advocate for it.


          MugaSofer on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Yikes. Yeah, that seems like a serious problem that needs more publicity in cryonics circles.


          V_V on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I think it's also worth considering that a society of people who rarely die would probably have population issues, as there is a limited carrying capacity.
That's most obvious in the case of biologic humans, where even with our normal lifespan, we are already close or even above carrying capacity. In more exotic (and thus less probable, IMHO) scenarios such as Hansonian brain emulations, the carrying capacity might be perhaps higher, but it would still be fixed, or at least it would increase slowly once all the easily reachable resources on earth have been put to use (barring, of course, extreme singularity scenarios where nanomagicbots turn Jupiter into "computronium" or something, which I consider highly improbable).

Thus, if the long-lived future people are to avoid continuous cycles of population overshoot and crash, they must have some way of enforcing a population cap, whether by market forces or government regulation. This implies that reviving cryopreserved people would probably have costs other than those of the revival tech. Whoever revives you would have to split in some way their share of resources with you (or maybe in the extreme case, commit suicide to make room for you).
Hanson, for instance, predicts that his brain emulation society would be a Malthusian subsistence economy. I don't think that such a society could afford to ever revive any significant number of cryopatients, even if they had the technology (how Hanson can believe that society is likely and be still signed up for cryonics, is beyond my understanding).
Even if you don't think that a Malthusian scenario is likely, it still likely that the future will be an approximately steady-state economy, which means it would be strong disincentives against adding more people.


          MugaSofer on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Even if you don't think that a Malthusian scenario is likely, it still likely that the future will be an approximately steady-state economy, which means it would be strong disincentives against adding more people.

I'm inclined to agree, actually, but I would expect a post-scarcity "steady-state economy" large enough that absorbing such a tiny number of people is negligible.

With that said:

  • Honestly, it doesn't sound all that implausible that humans will find ways to expand - if nothing else, without FTL (I infer you don't anticipate FTL) there's pretty much always going to be a lot of unused universe out there for many billions of years to come (until the universe expands enough we can't reach anything, I guess.)

  • Brain emulations sound extremely plausible. In fact, the notion that we will never get them seems ... somewhat artificial in it's constraints. Are you sure you aren't penalizing them merely for sounding "exotic"?

  • I can't really comment on turning Jupiter into processing substrate and living there, but ... could you maybe throw out some numbers regarding the amounts of processing power and population numbers you're imagining? I think I have a higher credence for "extreme singularity scenarios" than you do, so I'd like to know where you're coming from better.

Hanson, for instance, predicts that his brain emulation society would be a Malthusian subsistence economy. I don't think that such a society could afford to ever revive any significant number of cryopatients, even if they had the technology (how Hanson can believe that society is likely and be still signed up for cryonics, is beyond my understanding).

That ... is strange. Actually, has he talked anywhere about his views on cryonics?


          V_V on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Honestly, it doesn't sound all that implausible that humans will find ways to expand - if nothing else, without FTL (I infer you don't anticipate FTL)

Obviously I don't anticipate FTL. Do you?

there's pretty much always going to be a lot of unused universe out there for many billions of years to come (until the universe expands enough we can't reach anything, I guess.)

Yes, but exploiting resources in our solar system is already difficult and costly. Currently there is nothing in space worth the cost of going there or bringing it back, maybe in the future it will be different, but I expect progress to be relatively slow.
Interstellar colonization might be forever physically impossible or economically unfeasible. Even if it is feasible I expect it to be very very slow. I think that's the best solution to Fermi's paradox.

Tom Murphy discussed these issue here and here. He focused on proven space technology (rockets) and didn't analyze more speculative stuff like mass drivers, but it seems to me that his whole analysis is reasonable.

Brain emulations sound extremely plausible. In fact, the notion that we will never get them seems ... somewhat artificial in it's constraints. Are you sure you aren't penalizing them merely for sounding "exotic"?

I'm penalizing them because they seem to be far away from what current technology allows (consider the current status of the Blue Brain Project or the Human Brain Project).
It's unclear how many hidden hurdles are there, and how long Moore's law will continue to hold. Even if the emulation of a few human brains becomes possible, it's unclear that the technology would scale to allow a population of billions, or trillions as Hanson predicts. Keep in mind that biological brains are much more energy efficient than modern computers.

Conditionally on radical life extension technology being available, brain emulation is more probable, since it seems to be an obvious avenue to radical life extension. But it's not obvious that it would be cheap and scalable.

I can't really comment on turning Jupiter into processing substrate and living there, but ... could you maybe throw out some numbers regarding the amounts of processing power and population numbers you're imagining? I think I have a higher credence for "extreme singularity scenarios" than you do, so I'd like to know where you're coming from better.

I think the most likely scenario, at least for a few centuries, is that human will still be essentially biological and will only inhabit the Earth (except possibly for a few Earth-dependent outposts in the solar system). Realistic population sizes will be between 2 and 10 billions.

Total processing power is more difficult to estimate: it depends on how long Moore's law (and related trends such as Koomey's law) will continue to hold. Since there seem to be physical limits that would be hit in 30-40 years of continued exponential growth, I would estimate that 20 years is a realistic time frame. Then there is the question of how much energy and other resources people will invest into computation.
I'd say that a growth of total computing power to between 10,000x and 10,000,000x of the current one in 20-30 years, followed by stagnation or perhaps a slow growth, seems reasonable. Novel hardware technologies might change that, but as usual probabilities on speculative future tech should be discounted.


          private_messaging on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I'd say that a growth of total computing power to between 10,000x and 10,000,000x of the current one in 20-30 years, followed by stagnation or perhaps a slow growth, seems reasonable

From Wikipedia:

Although this trend has continued for more than half a century, Moore's law should be considered an observation or conjecture and not a physical or natural law. Sources in 2005 expected it to continue until at least 2015 or 2020.[note 1][11] However, the 2010 update to the International Technology Roadmap for Semiconductors predicts that growth will slow at the end of 2013,[12] when transistor counts and densities are to double only every three years.

It's already happening.

Current process size is ~22nm, silicon lattice size is ~0.5nm . Something around 5..10 nm is the limit for photolithography, and we don't have any other methods of bulk manufacturing in sight. The problem with individual atoms is that you can't place them in bulk because of the stochastic nature of the interactions.


          MugaSofer on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I don't anticipate FTL.

Prediction confirmed, then. I think you might be surprised how common anticipating that we will eventually "solve FTL" using "wormholes", some sort of Alcubierre variant or plain old Clarke-esque New Discoveries - in sciencey circles, anyway.

I'm penalizing them because they seem to be far away from what current technology allows

I ... see. OK then.

Keep in mind that biological brains are much more energy efficient than modern computers.

That seems like a more plausible objection.

Total processing power is more difficult to estimate: it depends on how long Moore's law (and related trends such as Koomey's law) will continue to hold. Since there seem to be physical limits that would be hit in 30-40 years of continued exponential growth, I would estimate that 20 years is a realistic time frame. Then there is the question of how much energy and other resources people will invest into computation. I'd say that a growth of total computing power to between 10,000x and 10,000,000x of the current one in 20-30 years, followed by stagnation or perhaps a slow growth, seems reasonable. Novel hardware technologies might change that, but as usual probabilities on speculative future tech should be discounted.

Hmm. I started to calculate out some stuff, but I just realized: all that really matters is how the amount of humans we can support compares to available human-supporting resources, be they virtual, biological or, I don't know, some sort of posthuman cyborg.

So: how on earth can we calculate this?

We could use population projections - I understand the projected peak is around 2100 at 9 billion or so - but those are infamously unhelpful for futurists and, obviously, may not hold when some technology or another is introduced.

So ... what about wildly irresponsible economic speculation? What's your opinion of the idea we'll end up in a "post-scarcity economy", due to widespread automation etc.

Alternatively, do you think the population controls malthusians have been predicting since forever will finally materialize?

Or ... basically I'm curious as to the sociological landscape you anticipate here.


          V_V on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

So ... what about wildly irresponsible economic speculation? What's your opinion of the idea we'll end up in a "post-scarcity economy", due to widespread automation etc.

As long as we are talking about biologic humans (I don't think anything else is likely, at least for a few centuries), then carrying capacity is most likely in the order of billions: each human requires a certain amount of food, water, clothing, housing, healthcare, etc. The technologies we use to provide these things are already highly efficient, hence their efficiency will probably not grow much, at least not by incremental improvement.
Groundbreaking developments comparable to the invention of agriculture might make a difference, but there doesn't seem to be any obvious candidate for that which we can foresee, hence I wouldn't consider that likely.

In optimistic scenarios, we get an approximately steady state (or slowly growing) economy with high per capita wealth, with high automation relieving many people from the necessity of working long hours, or perhaps even of working at all.
In pessimistic scenarios, Malthusian predictions come true, and we get either steady state economy at subsistence level, or growth-collapse oscillations with permanent destruction of carrying capacity due to resource depletion, climate change, nuclear war, etc. up to the most extreme scenarios of total civilization breakdown or human extinction.


          Lumifer on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

The technologies we use to provide these things are already highly efficient

This is certainly not true for healthcare.

Groundbreaking developments comparable to the invention of agriculture might make a difference, but there doesn't seem to be any obvious candidate for that which we can foresee

I think that making energy really cheap ("too cheap to meter") is foreseeable and that would count as a groundbreaking development.


          V_V on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

This is certainly not true for healthcare.

Do you think that modern healthcare is inefficient in energy and resource usage? Why?

I think that making energy really cheap ("too cheap to meter") is foreseeable and that would count as a groundbreaking development.

What energy source you have in mind?


          Lumifer on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Do you think that modern healthcare is inefficient in energy and resource usage? Why?

I think that modern healthcare is inefficient in general cost/benefit terms: what outputs you get at the cost of which inputs. Compared to what seems achievable in the future, of course.

What energy source you have in mind?

Fusion reactors, for example.


          NancyLebovitz on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Supposing that you get convinced that a cryonics subscription isn't worth having for you.

What's the likelihood that it's just one person offering a definitive argument rather than a collaborative effect? If the latter, will you divide the $500?


          ChrisHallquist on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Good question, should have answered it in the OP. The answer is possibly, but I anticipate a disproportionate share of the contribution coming from one person, someone like kalla724, and in that case it goes to that one person. But definitely not divided between the contributors to an entire LW thread.


          JRMayne on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I'll bite. (I don't want the money. If I get it, I'll use it for what is considered by some on this site as ego-gratifying wastage for Give Directly or some similar charity.)

If you look around, you'll find "scientist"-signed letters supporting creationism. Philip Johnson, a Berkeley law professor is on that list, but you find a very low percertage of biologists. If you're using lawyers to sell science, you're doing badly. (I am a lawyer.)

The global warming issue has better lists of people signing off, including one genuinely credible human: Richard Lindzen of MIT. Lindzen, though, has oscillated from "manmade global warming is a myth," to a more measured view that the degree of manmade global warming is much, much lower than the general view. The list of signatories to a global warming skeptic letter contains some people with some qualifications on the matter, but many who do not seem to have expertise.

Cryonics? Well, there's this. Assuming they would put any neuroscience qualifications that the signatories had... this looks like the intelligent design letters. Electrical engineers, physicists... let's count the people with neuroscience expertise, other than people whose careers are in hawking cryonics:

  1. Kenneth Hayworth, a post-doc now at Harvard.

  2. Ravin Jain, Los Angeles neurologist. He was listed as an assistant professor of neurology at UCLA in 2004, but he's no longer employed by UCLA.

That's them. There are a number of other doctors on there; looking up the people who worked for cryonics orgs is fun. Many of them have interesting histories, and many have moved on. The letter is pretty lightweight; it just says there's a credible chance that they can put you back together again after the big freeze. I think computer scientists dominate the list. That is a completely terrible sign.

There are other conversations here and elsewhere about the state of the brain involving interplay between the neurons that's not replicable with just the physical brain. There's also the failure to resuscitate anyone from brain death. This provides additional evidence that this won't work.

Finally, the people running the cryonics outfits have not had the best record of honesty and stability. If Google ran a cryonics outfit, that would be more interesting, for sure. But I don't think that's going to happen; this is not the route to very long life.

[Edit 1/14 - fixed a miscapitalization and a terrible sentence construction. No substantive changes.]


          jkaufman on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

let's count the people with neuroscience expertise, other than people whose careers are in hawking cryonics

This is a little unfair: if you have neuroscience experience and think cryonics is very important, then going to work for Alcor or CI may be where you can have the most impact. At which point others note that you're financially dependent on people signing up for cryonics and write you off as biased.


          fezziwig on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

In a world where cryonics were obviously worthwhile to anyone with neuroscience expertise, one would expect to see many more cryonics-boosting neuroscientists than could be employed by Alcor and CI. Indeed, you might expect there to be more major cryonics orgs than just those two.

In other words, it's only unfair if we think size of the "neuroscientist" pool is roughly comparable to the size of the market for cryonics researchers. It's not, so IMO JRMayne raises an interesting point, and not one I'd considered before.


          James_Miller on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Economists are the scientists most qualified to speculate on the likely success of cryonics because this kind of prediction involves speculating on long-term technological trends and although all of mankind is bad at this, economists at least try to do so with rigor.


          jkaufman on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

"How likely is it that the current cryonics process prevents information-theoretic death" is a question for neuroscientists, not economists.


          James_Miller on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Identical twins raised apart act fairly similarly, and economists are better qualified to judge this claim than neuroscientists. Given my DNA and all the information saved in my brain by cryonics it almost certainly would be possible for a super-intelligence with full nanotech to create something which would act similar to how I do in similar circumstances. For me at least, that's enough to preserve my identity and have cryonics work. So for me the answer to your question is almost certainly yes. To know if cryonics will work we need to estimate long-term tech trends to guess if Alcor could keep my body in tact long enough until someone develops the needed revival technologies.


          TheOtherDave on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I'm curious... if P1 is the probability that a superintelligence with full nanotech can create something which would act similar to how you do in similar circumstances given your DNA and all the information in your cryonically frozen brain, and P2 is that probability given just your DNA, what's your estimate of P1/P2?


          James_Miller on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Good point, especially if you include everything I have published in both P1 and P2 then P1 and P2 might be fairly close. This along with the possibility of time travel to bring back the dead is a valid argument against cryonics. Even in these two instances, cryonics would be valuable as a strong signal to the future that yes I really, really want to be brought back. Also, the more information the super-intelligence has the better job it will do. Cryonics working isn't a completely binary thing.


          TheOtherDave on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

So... it sounds like you're saying that your confidence that cryonic preservation differentially prevents information-theoretic death is relatively low (given that you estimate the results with and without it to be fairly close)... yes?

as a strong signal to the future that yes I really, really want to be brought back.

(nods)
What's your estimate of the signal-strength ratio, to such a superintelligence of your preferences in the matter, between (everything it knows about you + you signed up for cryonics) and (everything it knows about you + you didn't sign up for cryonics)?

Also, the more information the super-intelligence has the better job it will do. Cryonics working isn't a completely binary thing.

True.


          James_Miller on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

So... it sounds like you're saying that your confidence that cryonic preservation differentially prevents information-theoretic death is relatively low (given that you estimate the results with and without it to be fairly close)... yes?

Yes given an AI super-intelligence trying to bring me back.

What's your estimate of the signal-strength ratio, to such a superintelligence of your preferences in the matter, between (everything it knows about you + you signed up for cryonics) and (everything it knows about you + you didn't sign up for cryonics)?

I'm not sure. So few people have signed up for cryonics and given cryonics' significant monetary and social cost it does make for a powerful signal.


          TheOtherDave on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Yes given an AI super-intelligence trying to bring me back.

If we assume there is no AI superintelligence trying to bring you back, what's your estimate of the ratio of the probabilities of information-theoretic death given cryonic preservation and absent cryonic preservation?

So few people have signed up for cryonics and given cryonics' significant monetary and social cost it does make for a powerful signal.

To a modern-day observer, I agree completely. Do you think it's an equally powerful signal to the superintelligence you posit?


          James_Miller on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

If we assume there is no AI superintelligence trying to bring you back, what's your estimate of the ratio of the probabilities of information-theoretic death given cryonic preservation and absent cryonic preservation?

I don't know enough about nanotech to give a good estimate of this path. The brain uploading path via brain scans is reasonable given cryonics and, of course, hopeless without it.

Do you think it's an equally powerful signal to the superintelligence you posit? Perhaps given that in part by signing up for cryonics I have probably changed my brain state to more want to outlive my natural death and this would be reflected in my writings.


          jkaufman on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Have you considered getting your DNA sequenced and storing that in a very robust medium?


          James_Miller on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Yes. I'm a member of 23andMe, although they don't do a full sequencing.


          jkaufman on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Sorry, I should be more clear. You think your DNA is going to be really helpful to a superintelligence bringing you back, then it would make sense to try and increase the chances it stays around. 23andMe is a step in this direction, but as full genome sequencing gets cheaper at some point you should probably do that too. It's alreadfy much cheaper than cryonics and in a few years should be cheaper by an even larger margin.


          satt on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I'm glad you attached your bounty to a concrete action (cancelling your cryonics subscription) rather than something fuzzy like "convincing me to change my mind". When someone offers a bounty for the latter I cynically expect them to use motivated cognition to explain away any evidence presented, and then refuse to pay out even if the evidence is very strong. (While you might still end up doing that here, the bounty is at least tied to an unambiguously defined action.)


          Kawoomba on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Not really, because the sequence of events is "Change my mind", then "Cancel subscription", i.e. the latter hinges on the former. Hence, since "Change my mind" is a necessary prerequisite, the ambiguity remains.


          satt on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

When all is said & done, we may never know whether Chris Hallquist really did or really should have changed his mind. But, assuming Alcor/CI is willing to publicly disclose CH's subscription status, we will be able to decide unambiguously whether he's obliged to cough up $500.


          Kawoomba on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Obviously a private enterprise won't publicly disclose the subscription status of its members.

He can publicly state whatever he wants regarding whether he changed his mind or not, no matter what he actually did. He can publicly state whatever he wants regarding whether he actually cancelled his subscription, no matter what he actually did.

If you assume OP wouldn't actually publicly lie (but still be subject to motivated cognition, as you said in the grandparent), then my previous comment is exactly right. You don't avoid any motivated cognition by adding an action which is still contingent on the problematic "change your mind" part.

In the end, you'll have to ask him "Well, did you change your mind?", and whether he answers you "yes or no" versus "I cancelled my subscription" or "I did not cancel my subscription" comes out to the same thing.


          James_Miller on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

When Alcor was fact checking my article titled Cryonics and the Singularity (page 21) for their magazine they said they needed some public source for everyone I listed as a member of Alcor. They made me delete reference to one member because my only source was that he had told me of his membership (and had given me permission to disclose it).


          Kawoomba on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Good article, you should repost it as a discussion topic or in the open thread.


          satt on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Obviously a private enterprise won't publicly disclose the subscription status of its members.

Not so obvious to me. CH could write to Alcor/CI explaining what he's done, and tell them he's happy for them to disclose his subscription status for the purpose of verification. (Even if they weren't willing to follow through on that, CH could write a letter asking them to confirm in writing that he's no longer a member, and then post a copy of the response. CH might conceivably fake such a written confirmation, but I find it very unlikely that CH would put words in someone else's mouth over their faked signature to save $500.)


          Alsadius on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

My objection to cryonics is financial - I'm all for it if you're a millionaire, but most people aren't. For most people, cryonics will eat a giant percentage of your life's total production of wealth, in a fairly faint-hope chance at resurrection. The exact chances are a judgement call, but I'd ballpark it at about 10%, because there's so very many realistic ways that things can go wrong.

If your cryonics insurance is $50/month, unless cryonics is vastly cheaper than I think it is, it's term insurance, and the price will jump drastically over time(2-3x per decade, generally). In other words, you're buying temporary cryonics coverage, not lifetime. That is not generally the sort of thing cryonics fans seem to want. Life insurance is a nice way to spread out the costs, but insurance companies are not in the business of giving you something for nothing.


          ChrisHallquist on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

$50/month is for universal life insurance. It helps that I'm young and a non-smoker.


          Alsadius on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

What payout? And "universal life" is an incredibly broad umbrella - what's the insurance cost structure within the UL policy? Flat, limited-pay, term, YRT? (Pardon the technical questions, but selling life insurance is a reasonably large portion of my day job). Even for someone young and healthy, $50/mo will only buy you $25-50k or so. I thought cryonics was closer to $200k.


          ChrisHallquist on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

$100k. Cryonics costs vary with method and provider. I don't have exact up-to-date numbers, but I believe the Cryonics Institute charges ~$30k, while Alcor charges ~$80k for "neuro" (i.e. just your head) or ~$200k for full-body.


          Alsadius on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Running the numbers, it seems you can get a bare-bones policy for that. I don't tend to sell many bare-bones permanent policies, though, because most people buying permanent insurance want some sort of growth in the payout to compensate for inflation. But I guess with cheaper cryo than I expected, the numbers do add up. Cryo may be less crazy than I thought.


          byrnema on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

If it could be done, would you pay $500 for a copy of you to be created tomorrow in a similar but separate alternate reality?(Like an Everette branch that is somewhat close to ours, but faraway enough that you are not already in it?)

Given what we know about identity, etc., this is what you are buying.

Personally, I wouldn't pay five cents.

Unless people that you know and love are also signed up for cryonics? (In which case you ought to sign up, for lots of reasons including keeping them company and supporting their cause.)


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Cryonics does not necessarily imply uploading. It is possible that using atomically precise medical technology we could revive and rebuild the brain and body in-situ, thereby retaining continuity.


          byrnema on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I meant a physical copy.

Would it make a difference, to you, if they rebuilt you in-situ, rather than adjacent?

But I just noticed this set of sentences, so I was incorrect to assume common ideas about identity:

In particular, I find questions about personal identity and consciousness of uploads made from preserved brains confusing,


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I know. I was pointing out that your thought experiment might not actually apply to the topic of cryonics.


          Daniel_Burfoot on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

How low would your estimate have to get before you canceled your subscription? I might try to convince you by writing down something like:

P(CW) = P(CW | CTA) * P(CTA)

Where CW = "cryonics working for you" and CTA = "continued technological advancement in the historical short term", and arguing that your estimate of P(CTA) is probably much too high. Of course, this would only reduce your overall estimate by 10x at most, so if you still value cryonics at P=0.03 instead of P=0.3, it wouldn't matter.


          topynate on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

It is likely that you would not wish for your brain-state to be available to all-and-sundry, subjecting you to the possibility of being simulated according to their whims. However, you know nothing about the ethics of the society that will exist when the technology to extract and run your brain-state is developed. Thus you are taking a risk of a negative outcome that may be less attractive to you than mere non-existence.


          jowen on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

This argument has made me start seriously reconsidering my generally positive view of cryonics. Does anyone have a convincing refutation?

The best I can come up with is that if resuscitation is likely to happen soon, we can predict the values of the society we'll wake up in, especially if recovery becomes possible before more potentially "value disrupting" technologies like uploading and AI are developed. But I don't find this too convincing.


          topynate on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

My attempt at a reply turned into an essay, which I've posted here.


          Ishaan on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

This answer raises the question of how narrow the scope of the contest is:

Do you want to specifically hear arguments from scientific evidence about how cryonics is not going to preserve your consciousness?

Or, do you want arguments not to do cryonics in general? Because that can also be accomplished via arguments as to the possible cons of having your consciousness preserved, arguments towards opportunity costs of attempting it (effective altruism), etc. It's a much broader question.

(Edit - nevermind, answered in the OP upon more careful reading)


          JTHM on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Let me attempt to convince you that your resurrection from cryonic stasis has negative expected value, and that therefore it would be better for you not to have the information necessary to reconstruct your mind persist after the event colloquially known as "death," even if such preservation were absolutely free.

Most likely, your resurrection would require technology developed by AI. Since we're estimating the expected value of your resurrection, let's work on the assumption that the AGI will be developed.

Friendly AI is strictly more difficult to develop than AI with values orthogonal to ours or malevolent AI. Because the FAI developers are at such an inherent disadvantage, AGI tech will be most used by those least concerned with its ethical ramifications. Most likely, this will result in the extinction of humanity. But it might not. In the cases where humanity survives but technology developed by AGI continues to be used by those who are little concerned with its ramifications, it would be best for you not to exist at all. Since those with moral scruples would be the most averse to wantonly duplicating, creating, or modifying life, we can assume that those doing such things most often will be vicious psychopaths (or fools who might as well be), and that therefore the amount of suffering in the world inflicted on those synthetic minds would greatly outweigh any increased happiness of biological humans. A world where a teenager can take your brain scan remotely with his iPhone in the year 2080 and download an app that allows him to torture an em of you for one trillion subjective years every real second is a world in which you'd be best off not existing in any form. Or you could find yourself transformed into a slave em forced to perform menial mental labor until the heat death of the universe.

Likely? No. More likely than FAI taking off first, despite the massive advantage the unscrupulous enjoy in AGI development? I think so. Better to die long before that day comes. For that matter, have yourself cremated rather than decaying naturally, just in case.


          BaconServ on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Assuming you meant for the comment section to be used to convince you. Not necessarily because you meant it, but because making that assumption means not willfully acting against your wishes on what normally would be a trivial issue that holds no real preference for you. Maybe it would be better to do it with private messages, maybe not. There's a general ambient utility to just making the argument here, so there shouldn't be any fault in doing so.

Since this is a real-world issue rather than a simple matter of crunching numbers, what you're really asking for here isn't merely to be convinced, but to be happy with whatever decision you make. Ten months worth of payment for the relief of not having to pay an entirely useless cost every month, and whatever more immediate utility will accompany that "extra" 50$/month. If 50$ doesn't buy much immediate utility for you, then a compelling argument needs to encompass in-depth discussion of trivial things. It would mean having to know precise information about what you actually value. Or at the very least, an accurate heuristic about how you feel about trivial decisions. As it stands, you feel the 50$/month investment is worth it for a very narrow type of investment: Cryonics.

This is simply restating the knowns in a particular format, but it emphasizes what the core argument needs to be here: Either that the investment harbors even less utility than 50$/month can buy, or that there are clearly superior investments you can make at the same price.

Awareness of just how severely confirmation bias exists in the brain (despite any tactics you might suspect would uproot it) should readily show that convincing you that there are better investments to make (and therefore to stop making this particular investment) is the route most likely to produce payment. Of course, this undermines the nature of the challenge: A reason to not invest at all.


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Be aware that you are going to get a very one-sided debate. I am very much pro-cryonics, but you're not going to hear much from me or others like me because (1) I'm not motivated to rehash the supporting arguments, and (2) attaching monetary value actually deentivises me from participating (particularly when I am unlikely to receive it).

ETA: Ok, I said that and then I countered myself by being compelled to respond to this point:

In particular, I find questions about personal identity and consciousness of uploads made from preserved brains confusing, but think there are very few people in the world, if any, who are likely to have much chance of getting me un-confused about those issues.

Issues of mind-uploading should not affect your decision. I personally am convinced that the reigning opinion on mind uploading and personal identity is outright wrong - if they destructively upload my mind then they might as well thaw out and cremate me. There would be no continuity of consciousness and I would not benefit.

My own application for cyronics membership is held up in part because I'm still negotiating a contract that forces them to preserve me for revival only, not uploading, but that should be sorted out soon. All you need to do is make your wishes clear and legally binding.


          kalium on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Why shouldn't uploading affect his decision? If he's resurrected into a physical body and finds the future is not a place he wants to live, he can opt out by destroying his body. If he's uploaded, there is very plausibly no way out.


          Ishaan on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Curious - would you retain this belief if uploading actually happened, the uploaded consciousnesses felt continuity, and external observers could tell no difference between the uploaded consciousnesses and the original consciousnesses?

(Because if so, you can just have an "only if it works for others may you upload me" clause)


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

To whom are you asking the question? I'd be dead. That computer program running a simulation of me would be a real person, yes, with all associated moral implications. It'd even think and behave like me. But it wouldn't be me - a direct continuation of my personal identity - anymore than my twin brother or any of the multiverse copies of "me" are actually me. If my brain was still functioning at all I'd be cursing the technicians as they ferry my useless body from the uploader to the crematorium. Then I'd be dead while some digital doppelgänger takes over my life.

Do you see? This isn't about whether uploading works or not. Uploading when it works creates a copy of me. It will not continue my personal existence. We can be sure of this, right now.


          TheOtherDave on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

On what grounds do you believe that the person who wrote that comment is the same person who is reading this response?

I mean, I assume that the person reading this response thinks and behaves like the same person (more or less), and that it remembers having been the person who wrote the comment, but that's just thought and behavior and memory, and on your account those things don't determine identity.

So, on your account, what does determine identity? What observations actually constitute evidence that you're the same person who wrote that comment? How confident are you that those things are more reliable indicators of shared identity than thought and behavior and memory?


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

On what grounds do you believe that the person who wrote that comment is the same person who is reading this response?

By examining the history of interactions which occured between the two states.

How confident are you that those things are more reliable indicators of shared identity than thought and behavior and memory?

Because it is very easy to construct thought experiments which show that thought, behavior, and memory are not sufficient for making a determination. For example, imagine a non-destructive sci-fi teleporter. The version of you I'm talking to right now walks into the machine, sees some flashing lights, and then walks out. Some time later another Dave out of a similar machine on Mars. Now step back a moment in time. Before walking into the machine, what experience do you expect to have after: (1) walking back out or (2) waking up on Mars?


          TheOtherDave on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

By examining the history of interactions which occured between the two states.

Well, yes, but what are you looking for when you do the examination?

That is, OK, you examine the history, and you think "Well, I observe X, and I don't observe Y, and therefore I conclude identity was preserved." What I'm trying to figure out is what X and Y are.

Before walking into the machine, what experience do you expect to have after: (1) walking back out or (2) waking up on Mars?

Both.


          Dentin on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

With 50% probability, I expect to walk back out, and with 50% probability I expect to wake up on mars. Both copies will feel like and believe that they are the original, and both copies will believe they are the 'original'.


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

But you expect one or the other, right? In other words, you don't expect to experience both futures, correct?

Now what if the replicator on Mars gets stuck, and starts continuously outputting Dentins. What is your probability of staying on Earth now?

Further, doesn't it seem odd that you are assigning any probability that after a non-invasive scan, and while your brain and body continues to operate just fine on Earth, you suddenly find yourself on Mars, and someone else takes over your life on Earth?

What is the mechanism by which you expect your subjective experience to be transferred from Earth to Mars?


          TheOtherDave on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Not Dentin, but since I gave the same answer above I figured I'd weigh in here.

you expect one or the other, right? In other words, you don't expect to experience both futures, correct?

I expect to experience both futures, but not simultaneously.

Somewhat similarly, if you show me a Necker cube, do I expect to see a cube whose front face points down and to the left? Or a cube whose front face points up and to the right? Well, I expect to see both. But I don't expect to see both at once... I'm not capable of that.

(Of course, the two situations are not the same. I can switch between views of a Necker cube, whereas after the duplication there are two mes each tied to their own body.)

what if the replicator on Mars gets stuck [..] What is your probability of staying on Earth now?

I will stay on Earth, with a probability that doesn't change.
I will also appear repeatedly on Mars.

doesn't it seem odd that you are assigning any probability that after a non-invasive scan, and while your brain and body continues to operate just fine on Earth, you suddenly find yourself on Mars,

Well, sure, in the real world it seems very odd to take this possibility seriously. And, indeed, it never seems to happen, so I don't take it seriously... I don't in fact expect to wake up on Mars.

But in the hypothetical you've constructed, it doesn't seem odd at all... that's what a nondestructive teleporter does.

and someone else takes over your life on Earth?

(shrug) In ten minutes, someone will take over my life on Earth. They will resemble me extremely closely, though there will be some small differences. I, as I am now, will no longer exist. This is the normal, ordinary course of events; it has always been like this.

I'm comfortable describing that person as me, and I'm comfortable describing the person I was ten minutes ago as me, so I'm comfortable saying that I continue to exist throughout that 20-minute period. I expect me in 10 minutes to be comfortable describing me as him.

If in the course of those ten minutes, I am nondestructively teleported to Mars, someone will still take over my life on Earth. Someone else, also very similar but not identical, will take over my life on Mars. I'm comfortable describing all of us as me. I expect both of me in 10 minutes to be comfortable describing me as them.

That certainly seems odd, but again, what's odd about it is the nondestructively teleported to Mars part, which the thought experiment presupposes.

What is the mechanism by which you expect your subjective experience to be transferred from Earth to Mars?

It will travel along with my body, via whatever mechanism allows that to be transferred. (Much as my subjective experience travels along with my body when I drive a car or fly cross-country.)

It would be odd if it did anything else.


          Dentin on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

No, I would never expect to simultaneously experience being on both Mars and Earth. If you find anyone who believes that, they are severely confused, or are trolling you.

If I know the replicator will get stuck and output 99 dentins on Mars, I would only expect a 1% chance of waking up on earth. If I'm told that it will only output one copy, I would expect a 50% chance of waking up on earth, only to find out later that the actual probability was 1%. The map is not the territory.

Further, doesn't it seem odd that you are assigning any probability that after a non-invasive scan, and while your brain and body continues to operate just fine on Earth, you suddenly find yourself on Mars, and someone else takes over your life on Earth?

Not at all. In fact, it seems odd to me that anyone would be surprised to end up on Mars.

What is the mechanism by which you expect your subjective experience to be transferred from Earth to Mars?

Because conciousness is how information processing feels from the inside, and 'information processing' has no intrinsic requirement that the substrate or cycle times be continuous.

If I pause a playing wave file, copy the remainder to another machine, and start playing it out, it still plays music. It doesn't matter that the machine is different, that the decoder software is different, that the audio transducers are different - the music is still there.

Another, closer analogy is that of the common VM: it is possible to stop a VPS (virtual private server), including operating system, virtual disk, and all running programs, take a snapshot, copy it entirely to another machine halfway around the planet, and restart it on that other machine as though there were no interruption in processing. The VPS may not even know that anything has happened, other than suddenly its clock is wrong compared to external sources. The fact that it spent half an hour 'suspended' doesn't affect its ability to process information one whit.


          ArisKatsaris on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Uploading when it works creates a copy of me. It will not continue my personal existence.

I honestly don't know how "copy" is distinct from "continuation" on a physical level and/or in regards to 'consciousness'/'personal existence'.

If the MWI is correct, every moment I am copied into a billion versions of myself. Even if it's wrong, every moment I can be said to be copied to a single future version of myself. Both of these can be seen as 'continuations' rather than 'copies'. Why would uploading be different?

Mind you, I'm not saying it necessary isn't -- but I understand too little about consciousness to argue about it definitively and with the certainty you claim one way or another.


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

If the MWI is correct, every moment I am copied into a billion versions of myself. Even if it's wrong, every moment I can be said to be copied to a single future version of myself. Both of these can be seen as 'continuations' rather than 'copies'. Why would uploading be different?

It's not any different, and that's precisely the point. Do you get to experience what your MWI copies are doing? Does their existence in any way benefit you, the copy which is reading this sentence? No? Why should you care if they even exist at all? So it goes with uploading. That person created by uploading will not be you any more than some alternate dimension copy is you. From the outside I wouldn't be able to tell the difference, but for you it would be very real: you, the person I am talking to right now, will die, and some other sentient being with your implanted memories will take over your life. Personally I don't see the benefit of that, especially when it is plausible that other choices (e.g. revival) might lead to continuation of my existence in the way that uploading does not.


          ArisKatsaris on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Do you get to experience what your MWI copies are doing?

Uh, the present me is experiencing none of the future. I will "get to experience" the future, only via all the future copies of me that have a remembered history that leads back to the present me.

Does their existence in any way benefit you, the copy which is reading this sentence? No? Why should you care if they even exist at all?

If none of the future mes exist, then that means I'm dead. So of course I care because I don't want to die?

I think we're suffering from a misunderstanding here. The MWI future copy versions of me are not something that exist in addition to the ordinary future me, they are the ordinary future me. All of them are, though each of them has only one remembered timeline.

That person created by uploading will not be you any more than some alternate dimension copy is you.

Or "that person created by uploading will be as much me as any future version of me is me".


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I'm a physicist, I understand perfectly well MWI. Each time we decohere we end up on one branch and not the others. Do you care at all what happens on the others? If you do, fine, that's very altruistic of you.


          ArisKatsaris on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Let me try again.

First example: Let's say that tomorrow I'll decohere into 2 versions of me, version A and version B, with equal measure. Can you tell me whether now I should only care to what happens to version A or only to version B?

No, you can't. Because you don't know which branch I'll "end up on" (in fact I don't consider that statement meaningful, but even if it was meaningful, we wouldn't know which branch I'd end up on). So now I have to care about those two future branches equally. Until I know which one of these I'll "end up on", I have no way to judge between them.

Second example. Let's say that tomorrow instead of decohering via MWI physics, I'll split into 2 versions of me, version U via uploading, and version P via ordinary physics. Can you tell me in advance why now I should only be caring about version (P) and not about version (U)?

Seems to me that like in the first example I can't know which of the two branches "I'll end up on". So now I must care about the two future versions equally.


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Let's say that tomorrow instead of decohering via MWI physics, I'll split into 2 versions of me, version U via uploading, and version P via ordinary physics. Can you tell me in advance why now I should only be caring about version (P) and not about version (U)?

Yes, you'd care about P and not U, because there's a chance you'd end up on P. There's zero chance you'd end up as U.

Seems to me that like in the first example I can't know which of the two branches "I'll end up on". So now I must care about the two future versions equally.

Now tomorrow has come, and you ended up as one of the branches. How much do you care about the others you did not end up on?


          Dentin on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Now tomorrow has come, and you ended up as one of the branches. How much do you care about the others you did not end up on?

In the case of MWI physics, I don't care about the other copies at all, because they cannot interact with me or my universe in any way whatsoever. That is not true for other copies of myself I may make by uploading or other mechanisms. An upload will do the same things that I would do, will have the same goals I have, and will in all probability do things that I would approve of, things which affect the universe in a way that I would probably approve of. None of that is true for an MWI copy.


          Dentin on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Yes, you'd care about P and not U, because there's a chance you'd end up on P. There's zero chance you'd end up as U.

This statement requires evidence or at least a coherent argument.


          ArisKatsaris on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Yes, you'd care about P and not U, because there's a chance you'd end up on P. There's zero chance you'd end up as U.

Why are you saying that? If you don't answer this question, of why you believe there's no chance of ending up as the upload, what's the point of writing a single other word in response?

I see no meaningful difference between first and second example. Tell me what the difference is that makes you believe that there's no chance I'll end up as version U.


          ephion on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

The copy will remember writing this, and will feel pretty strongly that it's a continuation of you.


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

So? So all the other Everett branches distinct from me. So would some random person implanted with my memories. I don't care what it thinks or feels, what I care about is whether it actually is a direct continuation of me.


          Dentin on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I'm sorry to hear that. It's unfortunate for you, and really limits your options.

In my case, uploading does continue my personal existence, and uploading in my case is a critical aspect of getting enough redundancy in my self to survive black swan random events.

Regarding your last sentence, "We can be sure of this, right now", what are you talking about exactly?


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Regarding your last sentence, "We can be sure of this, right now", what are you talking about exactly?

I mean we can do thought experiments which show prettying convincingly that I should not expect to experience the other end of uploading.


          Dentin on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

What might those thought experiments be? I have yet to hear any convincing ones.


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

The teleporter arguments we've already been discussing, and variants.


          Ishaan on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

OK, I was just checking.

There were two ways to interpret your statement - that uploaded won't be identical human beings (an empirical statement) vs. uploads will disrupt your continuity (a philosophical statement).

I was just wondering which one it was. I'm interested in hearing arguments against uploading

-How do you know right now that you are a continuity of the being that existed one-hour-in-the-past, and that the being that exists one-hour-in-the-future will be in continuity with you?

-Would you ever step into a sci-fi style teleporter?

-cryonics constitutes "pausing" and "resuming" yourself. How is this sort of temporal discontinuity different from the spatial discontinuity involved in teleporting?


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

There were two ways to interpret your statement - that uploaded won't be identical human beings (an empirical statement) vs. uploads will disrupt your continuity (a philosophical statement).

The latter, but they are both empirical questions. The former deals with comparing informational configurations at two points in time, whereas the latter is concerned with the history of how we went from state A to state B (both having real-world implications).

How do you know right now that you are a continuity of the being that existed one-hour-in-the-past, and that the being that exists one-hour-in-the-future will be in continuity with you?

We need more research on the physical basis for consciousness to understand this better such that we can properly answer the question. Right now all we have is the fleeting experience of continued identity moment to moment, and the induction principle which is invalid to apply over singular events like destructive uploading.

My guess as to the underlying nature of the problem is that consciousness exists in any complex interaction of particles - not the pattern itself, but the instantiation of the computation. And so long as this interaction is continuous and ongoing we have a physical basis for the continuation of subjective experience.

Would you ever step into a sci-fi style teleporter?

Never, for the same reasons.

Cryonics constitutes "pausing" and "resuming" yourself. How is this sort of temporal discontinuity different from the spatial discontinuity involved in teleporting?

Pausing is a metaphor. You can't freeze time and chemistry never stops entirely. The particles in a cryonic patient's brain keep interacting in complex, albeit much slowed down ways. Recall that the point of pumping the brain full of anti-freeze is that it remains intact and structurally unmolested even at liquid nitrogen temperatures. It is likely that some portion of biological activity is ongoing in cryostatasis albeit at a glacial pace. This may or may not be sufficient for continuity of experience, but unlike uploading the probability is at least not zero.

BTW the problem with teleporting is not spatial or temporal. The problem is that the computational process which is the subjective experience of the person being teleported is interrupted. The machine violently disassembles them and they die, then somewhere else a clone/copy is created. If you have trouble seeing that, imagine that the process is not destructive. You step into the teleporter, it scans you, and then you step out. I then shoot you in the head with a gun. The teleporter then reconstructs a copy of you. Do you really think that you, the person I just shot in the head and now is splattered all over the floor, gets to experience walking out of the teleporter as a copy? If you're still having trouble, imagine that the teleporter got stuck in a loop and kept outputting copies. Which one is you? Which one do you expect to "wake up" as at the other end of the process?


          Dentin on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

The problem is that the computational process which is the subjective experience of the person being teleported is interrupted.

It sounds to me like you're ascribing some critical, necessary aspect of consciousness to the 'computation' that occurs between states, as opposed to the presence of the states themselves.

It strikes me as similar to the 'sampling fallacy' of analog audio enthusiasts, who constantly claim that digitization of a recording is by definition lossy because a discrete stream can not contain all the data needed to reconstruct a continuous waveform.


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

It sounds to me like you're ascribing some critical, necessary aspect of consciousness to the 'computation' that occurs between states, as opposed to the presence of the states themselves.

Absolutely (although I don't see the connection to analog audio). Is a frozen brain conscious? No. It is the dynamic response of brain from which the subjective experience of consciousness arises.

See a more physical explanation here.


          Dentin on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

The connection to analog audio seems obvious to me: a digitized audio file contains no music, it contains only discrete samples taken at various times, samples which when played out properly generate music. An upload file containing the recording of a digital brain contains no conciousness, but is concious when run, one cycle at a time.

A sample is a snapshot of an instant of music; an upload is a snapshot of conciousness. Playing out a large number of samples creates music; running an upload forward in time creates conciousness. In the same way that a frozen brain isn't concious but an unfrozen, running brain is - an uploaded copy isn't concious, but a running, uploaded copy is.

That's the point I was trying to get across. The discussion of samples and states is important because you seem to have this need for transitions to be 'continuous' for conciousness to be preserved - but the sampling theorem explicitly says that's not necessary. There's no 'continuous' transition between two samples in a wave file, yet the original can still be reconstructed perfectly. There may not be a continous transition between a brain and its destructively uploaded copy - but the original and 'continuous transition' can still be reconstructed perfectly. It's simple math.

As a direct result of this, it seems pretty obvious to me that conciousness doesn't go away because there's a time gap between states or because the states happen to be recorded on different media, any more than breaking a wave file into five thousand non-contiguous sectors on a hard disk platter destroys the music in the recording. Pretty much the only escape from this is to use a mangled definition of conciousness which requires 'continuous transition' for no obvious good reason.


          Mark_Friedenbach on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I'm not saying it goes away, I'm saying the uploaded brain is a different person, a different being, a separate identity from the one that was scanned. It is conscious yes, but it is not me in the sense that if I walk into an uploader I expect to walk out again in my fleshy body. Maybe that scan is then used to start a simulation from which arises a fully conscious copy of me, but I don't expect to directly experience what that copy experiences.


          Dentin on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

The uploaded brain is a different person, a different being, a separate identity from the one that was scanned. It is conscious yes, and it is me in the sense that I expect with high probability to wake up as an upload and watch my fleshy body walk out of the scanner under its own power.

Of course I wouldn't expect the simulation to experience the exact same things as the meat version, or expect to experience both copies at the same time. Frankly, that's an idiotic belief; I would prefer you not bring it into the conversation in the future, as it makes me feel like you're intentionally trolling me. I may not believe what you believe, but even I'm not that stupid.


          Ishaan on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

You step into the teleporter, it scans you, and then you step out. I then shoot you in the head with a gun. The teleporter then reconstructs a copy of you. Do you really think that you, the person I just shot in the head and now is splattered all over the floor, gets to experience walking out of the teleporter as a copy? If you're still having trouble, imagine that the teleporter got stuck in a loop and kept outputting copies. Which one is you? Which one do you expect to "wake up" as at the other end of the process?

My current thought on the matter is that Ishaan0 stepped into the elevator, Ishaan1a stepped out of the elevator, and Ishaan1b was replicated by the elevator.

At time 2, Ishaan2a was shot, and Ishaan2b survived.

Ishaan0 -> ishaan1a --> ishaan2a just died.

Ishaan0 -> ishaan1b--->ishaan2b--->ishaan3b --->... gets to live on.

So Ishaan0 can be said to have survived, whereas ishaan1a has died.

Right now all we have is the fleeting experience of continued identity moment to moment

The way I see it, my past self is "dead" in every respect other than that my current self exists and contains memories of that past self.

I don't think there is anything fundamental saying we aught to be able to have "expectations" about our future subjective experiences, only "predictions" about the future.

Meaning, if ishaan0 had a blindfold on, then at time1 when I step out of the teleporter I would have memories which indicate that my current qualia qualify me to be in the position of either Ishaan1a or Ishaan1b. When I take my blindfold off, I find out which one I am.


          DanielLC on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I am very much pro-cryonics, but you're not going to hear much from me or others like me because ...

He has already heard from others like you. The point is for him to find the arguments he hasn't heard, which tend to be the ones against cryonics.

My own application for cyronics membership is held up in part because I'm still negotiating a contract that forces them to preserve me for revival only, not uploading, but that should be sorted out soon.

That sounds much more difficult and correspondingly less likely to be accomplished.


          notsonewuser on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

You have read the full kalla724 thread, right?

I think V_V's comment is sufficient for you to retract your cryonics subscription. If we get uFAI you lose anyways, so I would be putting my money into that and other existential risks. You'll benefit a lot more people that way.


          Furcas on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Kalla724 is strongly convinced that the information that makes us us won't be preserved by current cryonics techniques, and he says he's a neuroscientist. Still, it would be nice if he'd write something a bit more complete so it could be looked at by other neuroscientists who could then tell us if he knows what he's talking about, at least.


          ChrisHallquist on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I had read some of that thread, and just went and made a point of reading any comments by kalla724 that I had missed. Actually, I had them in mind when I made this thread - hoping that $500 could induce a neuroscientist to write the post kalla724 mentioned (but as far as I can tell never wrote), or or else be willing to spend a few hours fielding questions from me about cryonics. I considered PMing kalla724 directly, but they don't seem to have participated in LW in some time.

Edit: PM'd kalla724. Don't expect a response, but seemed worth the 10 seconds on that off-chance.


          lmm on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I work in software. I once saw a changelog that said something like " * session saving (loading to be implemented in a future version)", and I laughed out loud. The argument in favour of cryonics seems to boil down to "we can't see why revival won't work", which is basically meaningless for a system this complex and poorly-understood. How can we be at all confident that we're preserving memories when we don't even know how they're encoded? I can't predict exactly what crucial thing we will have missed preserving. But I can predict we will have missed something.

I think it requires an incredible degree of fine-tuning of our future-tech assumptions to say that our post-singularity overlords will be able to revive people who were frozen, but not people who weren't.


          Luke_A_Somers on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I found myself in that situation once.

When I wrote the loader, the saved-game files worked.

Of course, that was because I just took the whole game data object and serialized it into a file stream. Similarly, here, we're storing the actual thing.

Last paragraph: ha. Restoring someone who wasn't frozen requires time travel. If cryo works and time travel doesn't, there you go.


          VAuroch on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

It doesn't necessarily involve time travel. It could just require extremely precise backwards extrapolation.

And if it does involve time travel, it only requires the travel of pure information from the past to its future. And since information can already be transmitted to its future light cone, the idea that it's possible to specify a particular location in spacetime sufficiently specifically that you can induce a process to transfer information about that specified location to a specific point in its future lightcone (i.e. your apparatus).

Which still sounds extremely difficult, but also much more likely to be possible than describing it as time travel.

For the record, I assign the possibility of time travel that could travel to our current point in time as epsilon, the possibility of time travel that can travel to no point earlier than the creation of the specific time machine as very small (<0.1%) but greater than epsilon, and the possibility of the outlined information-only "time travel" as in the range of 0.1%-1%.


          Luke_A_Somers on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

The ability to radiate light into space means that nope, you need to catch up to all those photons. Second law murders extrapolation like that.


          VAuroch on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

That's true, slipped my mind.


          Humbug on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Given that you believe that unfriendly AI is likely, I think one of the best arguments against cryonics is that you do not want to increase the probability of being "resurrected" by "something". But this concerns the forbidden topic, so I can't get into more details here. For hints see Iain M. Banks' novel Surface detail on why you might want to be extremely risk averse when it comes to the possibility of waking up in a world controlled by posthuman uploads.


          Torello on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Pour some milk into water. Now, get the milk back out. Not milk powder, not the milk plus a little water, not 99.9% of the milk and some minerals from the water, just the milk. I don't think it's possible. Now, let your brain die. Freeze it (freezing a live brain will kill it). Then, restart the most complex machine/arrangement of matter known. It just doesn't seem feasible.

I think machines can have consciousness, and I think a copy of you can have consciousness, but you can't have the consciousness of your copy, and it seems to me that after death and freezing you would get a copy of you, which would be perhaps be good for a number of reasons, but not for the reason (I presume) is most important--for you (your consciousness) to become immortal.


          notsonewuser on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I think machines can have consciousness, and I think a copy of you can have consciousness, but you can't have the consciousness of your copy, and it seems to me that after death and freezing you would get a copy of you, which would be perhaps be good for a number of reasons, but not for the reason (I presume) is most important--for you (your consciousness) to become immortal.

A copy of you is identical to you. Therefore I don't see how a copy of you could not have your consciousness.


          Torello on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Yes, I agree that the copy would have your consciousness, I guess I wasn't clear about expressing that.

But that's the point; the copy would have your consciousness--you wouldn't.


          notsonewuser on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Since the copy of Chris Hallquist would say "I am Chris Hallquist" for the same reason Chris Hallquist says "I am Chris Hallquist", I would say that the copy of Chris Hallquist just is Chris Hallquist in every way. So Chris Hallquist still has Chris Hallquist's consciousness in the cryonics scenario. In the computer scenario, both Chris Hallquist in the flesh and Chris Hallquist on the computer have Chris Hallquist's consciousness. Over time they might become different versions of Chris Hallquist if exposed to different things, but at the start, from the inside, it seems the same to both.


          Torello on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

"the copy of Chris Hallquist just is Chris Hallquist in every way"

I would say that by definition of a copy, it can't be Chris in every way, because there is one clear way that it isn't:--it's a copy! This is a fundamental principle of identity--a thing can only be identical to itself. Things might be functionally equivalent, or very similar, but a copy by definition isn't the same, or we wouldn't call it a copy.


          notsonewuser on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

But why would Chris Hallquist care about this "fundamental principle of identity", if it makes no difference to his experiences?


          Torello on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

It does make a difference--the use of the word "his" is key. "Copy of Chris" might have experiences and would not notice any difference regarding the fate of Chris, but for Chris, HIS experiences would end. (sorry for the caps; not shouting, just don't know how to do italics).

Let's say that "Chris" and "copy of Chris" are in a room.

I come into the room and say, "I'm going to kill one of you". Both "Chris" and "copy of Chris" are going to prefer that the other is killed, because their particular ability to experience things would end, even if a very similar consciousness would live on.


          notsonewuser on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Both "Chris" and "copy of Chris" are Chris Hallquist. Both remember being Chris Hallquist, which is the only way anyone's identity ever persists. Copy of Chris would insist that he's Chris Hallquist for the same reason the original Chris would insist so. And as far as I'm concerned, they'd both be right - because if you weren't in the room when the copying process happened, you'd have no way of telling the difference. I don't deny that as time passes they gradually would become different people.

I prefer to frame things this way. Suppose you take Chris Hallquist and scan his entire body and brain such that you could rebuild it exactly the same way later. Then you wait 5 minutes and then kill him. Now you use the machine to rebuild his body and brain. Is Chris Hallquist dead? I would say no - it would basically be the same as if he had amnesia - I would prefer to experience amnesia than to be killed, and I definitely don't anticipate having the same experiences in either case. Yet your view seems to imply that, since the original was killed, despite having a living, talking Chris Hallquist in front of you, it's somehow not really him.

Edit: Moreover, if I was convinced the technology worked as advertised, I would happily undergo this amnesia process for even small amounts of money, say, $100. Just to show that I actually do believe what I'm saying.


          Torello on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

with regard to "Yet your view seems to imply that, since the original was killed, despite having a living, talking Chris Hallquist in front of you, it's somehow not really him."

Yes, I do believe that the copy of Chris Hallquist would have an identical consciousness (until, as you stated, he had some new experiences), but the original (non-copy) Chris is still gone. So from a functional perspective I can interact with "copy of Chris" in the same way, but the original, unbroken consciousness of "original Chris" is still gone, which from the perspective of that consciousness, would be important.

with regard to "Both "Chris" and "copy of Chris" are Chris Hallquist." I still am confused: they may have the same structure, function, and properties, but there are still two of them, so they cannot be the same thing. There are two entities; just because you made a copy doesn't mean that when you destroy the original that the original isn't changed as a result.


          notsonewuser on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Why do you consider Chris Hallquist to be the same person when he wakes up in the morning as he is when he went to bed the night before (do you?)?

There are two entities; just because you made a copy doesn't mean that when you destroy the original that the original isn't changed as a result.

The original is changed. And I agree that there are two entities. But I don't see why Chris Hallquist should care about that before the split even occurs. Would you undergo the amnesia procedure (if you were convinced the tech worked, that the people were being honest, etc.) for $1000? What's the difference between that and a 5-minute long dreamless sleep (other than the fact that a dead body has magically appeared outside the room)?


          ArisKatsaris on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

How would this objection work if I believe it likely that a billion copies of me are likely created every single second (see Many Worlds Interpretation), all of them equally real, and all of them equally me?


          polymathwannabe on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

The "you" that is in this universe is the only "you" you can realistically care about. You don't live vicariously through your other selves more than you can live through a twin.


          ArisKatsaris on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

You didn't understand my objection, or perhaps I didn't communicate it clearly enough: According to MWI the "me" in the present leads to a billion zillion different "me"s in the near future. I'm NOT talking about people who have already branched from me in the past -- I'm talking about the future versions of me.

Torello seems to argue that a "me" who has branched through the typical procedures of physics is still a real "me", but a me who has branched via "uploading" isn't one.

I don't see why that should be so.


          Torello on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

The "me" traveling through typical physics is a single entity, so it can continue to experience it's consciousness. The "me(s)" in these many worlds don't have the continuity to maintain identity.

Think of this: if one actually believed in Many Worlds, and didn't find any problem with what I've stated above, this would be a convincing argument not to do cryonics, because it's already happening for free, and you can spend the money on entertainment or whatever (minus of course the $500 you owe me for convincing you not to do it ;)


          ArisKatsaris on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

The "me(s)" in these many worlds don't have the continuity to maintain identity.

So you believe that people nowadays have continuity that maintain identity only because you don't believe in MWI?

So if MWI proves true, does this distinction between "copies" and "continuations" become meaningless (according to you)?


          Torello on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

No, I think that the other worlds of MWI don't/wouldn't affect our world so continuity/identity in our world wouldn't change if MSI were true (or suddenly became true).

The break in continuity comes BETWEEN (sorry for caps, can't italicize) the many worlds, preventing the "me(s" in different worlds from continuity.


          Gunnar_Zarncke on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

One rational utilitarian argument I haven't seen here but which was brought up in an old thread is that cryonics competes with organ donation.

With organ donation you can save on average more than one life (the thread mentions 3.75, this site says "up to 8") wheras cryonics saves only <0.1 (but your own life).

And you probably can't have both.


          handoflixue on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

It's easy to get lost in incidental costs and not realize how they add up over time. If you weren't signed up for cryonics, and you inherited $30K, would you be inclined to dump it in to a cryonics fund, or use it someplace else? If the answer is the latter, you probably don't REALLY value cryonics as much as you think - you've bought in to it because the price is spread out and our brains are bad at budgeting small, reoccurring expenses like that.

My argument is pretty much entirely on the "expense" side of things, but I would also point out that you probably want to unpack your expectations from cryonics: Are you assuming you'll live infinite years? Live until the heat death of the universe? Gain an extra 200 years until you die in a situation cryonics can't fix? Gain an extra 50 years until you die of a further age limit?

When I see p(cryonics) = 0.3, I tend to suspect that's leaning more towards the 50-200 year side of things. Straight-up immortal-until-the-universe-ends seems a LOT less likely than a few hundred extra years.


Where'd that $30K figure come from?

You've said you're young and have a good rate on life insurance, so let's assume male (from the name) and 25. Wikipedia suggests you should live until you're 76.

$50/month * 12 months/year * (76-25 = 51 years) = $30,600.

So, it's less that you're paying $50/month and more that you're committing to pay $30,000 over the course of your life.


What else could you do with that same money?

Portland State University quotes ~$2500/semester for tuition. 3 semesters/year and 4 years/degree ~= $30K. Pretty sure you can get loans and go in to debt for this, so it's still something you could pay off over time. And if you're smart, do community college for the first two years, get a scholarship, etc., you can probably easily knock enough off to make up for interest charges.


          ChrisHallquist on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I'm not that young--I graduated collect four years ago. If I inherited ~30k, it would go into a generic early start on retirement / early start on hypothetical kids' college fund / maybe downpayment on a condo fund. Given that I'd just be holding on to it in the short-term anyway, putting it in a cryonics fund doesn't actually strike me as completely crazy. Even in that case, though I think I'd get the insurance anyway, so I'd know the inheritance money could be used for anything I needed for when said need arose. Also, I understand that funding through insurance can avoid legal battles over the money.


          handoflixue on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

The average college graduate is 26, and I was estimating 25, so I'd assume that by this community's standards, you're probably on the younger side. No offense was intended :)

I would point out that by the nature of it being LIFE insurance, it will generally not be used for stuff YOU need, nor timed to "when the need arises". That's investments, not insurance :)

(And if you have 100K of insurance for $50/month that lets you early-withdrawal AND isn't term insurance... then I'd be really curious how, because that sounds like a scam or someone misrepresenting what your policy really offers :))


          polymathwannabe on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Let's suppose your mind is perfectly preserved (in whatever method they choose to use). Let's suppose you retain the continuity of your memories and you still feel you are "you." Let's suppose the future society is kinder, nicer, less wasteful, more tolerant, and every kid owns a puppy. Let's suppose the end of fossil fuels didn't destroy civilization because we were wise enough to have an alternative ready in time. Let's suppose we managed to save the ozone layer and reverse global warming and the world is still a more-or-less pleasant place to live in. Let's suppose the future society has actually competent people in political positions.

Good! But still...

What body do you end up having? Even if the future doctors can clone a whole new, young, strong body from your DNA (and remove all your potential genetic diseases), that doesn't mean you're immortal. Physical destruction of the body (from accidents, natural disasters, etc.) is still a concern. Your new body would still need to have cryonics insurance in case anything happens to it. And there's always the risk of spontaneous mutations that will ruin everything: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/sunday-review/why-everyone-seems-to-have-cancer.html?_r=0 Even if sharks don't naturally die from aging, the mere fact of them living more years increases the probability that they'll eventually find something that kills them. Digital uploading is no guarantee of immortality either. Hard drives can be damaged and destroyed too. Even after getting used to a billion years of subjective existence, you will never really, really be able to shake off the fear of annihilation from unforeseen causes. Even if you (or any of your future copies, which is no guarantee of continued identity) are one of the few lucky who make it to the end of the universe, you will still die. If a heart attack didn't get you, entropy will. So it really doesn't matter how much of an effort you make. In forty years or forty eons, you will still die. What that means to you will depend on how much you plan to do with that time, but unless we find a way to reboot the universe AND survive the reboot AND find ourselves in an environment where life can survive, the last enemy will still be undefeatable.


          polymathwannabe on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

On the other hand, you're actually paying people to get you to forfeit your chance at eternity. To paraphrase religious language, you're dangerously selling your soul too short.


          gjm on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I don't follow how this is an argument against cryonics, unless you're talking to someone who really truly believed that cryonics meant a serious chance of actual literal immortality.

(Also, I have seen it alleged that at least one plausible model of the future of the universe has it dying after finite time, but in such a way that an infinite amount of computation can be done before the end. So it's not even entirely obvious you couldn't be subjectively immortal given sufficiently advanced technology. Though I think there have been cosmological discoveries since this model was alleged to be plausible that may undermine its plausibility.)


          Dentin on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

After I ran my estimates, I concluded that cryonics raised my odds of living to ~90 years old by approximately 5% absolute, from 50% to 55%. It's not very much, but that 5% was enough for me to justify signing up.

I think the most important part is to be honest about the fact that cryonics is a fairly expensive safety net largely consisting of holes. There are many unknowns, it relies on nonexistent technology, and in many scenarios you may become permanently dead before you can be frozen. That said, it does increase your odds of long term survivability.


          heredami on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Doesn't this thread go against the principles of The Bottom Line?


          DanielLC on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

Not entirely. It's well known that, if you can't find an unbiased opinion, it's good to at least get biases from different directions. He has already seen the arguments in favor of cryonics. Repeating them would be wasting his time. Now he wants to find the arguments against. If they are more convincing than he expected, his expectations of cryonics working will go down. Otherwise, they will go up.


          itaibn0 on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

It's worth mentioning that anyone with a strong argument against cryonics is likely to believe that you will be persuaded by it (due to low base-rates for these kinds of conversions). Thus the financial incentive is not as influential as you would like it to be.

Added: Relevant prediction


          wuncidunci on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

If someone believes they have a really good argument against cryonics, even if it only has a 10% chance of working, that is $50 in expected gain for maybe an hour of work writing it up really well. Sounds to me like quite worth their time.


          Trevor_Blake on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

The definition of science that I prefer is: a theory that can be tested and shown to fail. If a theory gives itself room to always add one more variable and thus never be shown to fail, it might be useful or beautiful or powerful or comforting but it won't be science. Revival 'some day' can always be one more day away, one more variable added.


          --- on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

With the sheer mind power and wisdom in a hive of virtual uploads, a government would certainly wish to gain legal control over you. You are too good to pass up. They will find a way. Like what is happening with the internet, and spying etc.

As a simulation you will be the ultimate provider! They can teach you programming and force you to work, without using up precious earth resources. Also you run at 1,000,000,000x human speed. Humans will vote for you to do all their work for them! Human rights have a way of dissapearing when its the rights of very few, to the benefit of the rewards of nearly all. And you aren't even human!

And you probably wont like much of their work. Most jobs are boring. But that wont matter as...

The world's top researchers (hive-mind-psychiatrists) will invent hyperadvertising, virtual dopamine, and hypertorture in order to get you to do much of this work. With potentially no theoretical limit on the reward systems you will become a form of cyber crack whore (apologies for lack of a nicer term). Are you yourself when you are on drugs? Is it worth spending money from your real-life to buy your future drug addict's existence? Would it not be much different to another person's future drug addict existence, as you are eventually super-optimised to think the most precise way to solve your problem set, and so would have the precise same thoughts?

If you believe there is no difference between your future crack addict and another's, as you think the same thoughts (as they are optimum) plus only your thoughts now define you (as you are a simulation), then why spend YOUR MONEY now paying for something which nobody else is paying, to get your brain to be molded, when it matters not which brain is actually molded? And all it does is benefit the future organisation which seeks to milk you!

To summarise so far:

  1. Simulations too useful for government to not (over decades) seek to gain control of

  2. You will not have rights in there, as humans will use cognitive dissonance to justify the huge gain they get from you working for them (super-efficient, invisible to them).

  3. Your brain will be optimised for the tasks, so over a little time will converge to any-other brain on the same tasks. So why spend your precious money in this existence to pay for some vanilla play-dough which will not be you in the future.


Further, many wish to die as they age. And its not from growing weak/tired, but from boredom

I would at the very least persuade you to cancel your subscription until you are ~40, and better understand the risks as well as the rewards. As rationalists we see the rewards, but as a generally young community we do not emotionally feel the aversion to immortality that our elders seem to (from my own anecdotal experiences). And as irrational feelings are, I dare you to attempt to persuade me its worth living a rational but unhappy existence.

Often the only thing keeping our parents and grandparents alive is their children. They no longer care so much about the rest of the world. They don't have that much power to change anything else, and are bored of the things they used to find fun. If you lived in minecraft, how long until you get bored of minecraft? As a 14 year old I could have played that game 14+hours a day forever. A decade later and intense guilt for more than a few hours would overwhelm me. (Perhaps they could freeze your brain into a state where you stay 14 forever though, but gain wisdom. It might be possible.) Same principle applies to long term work for the majority of people, I hear. People look forward to retirement. Then retired people die sooner as they are bored.

I encourage you to go to a retirement home, and see what the majority of people spend their time doing, and whether they are content with life and ready for death. Perhaps it is a question of your discipline and commitment to work. Will you train your mind for an eternity? As opposed to finding a time where you have achieved what you wished to achieve in life, and wish to retire to the deep sleep.

As you age and gain wisdom, many do not wish to live forever. With suicide being immoral and effectively illegal, and our culture becoming increasing progressive and protective of all classes of citizens with each decade, would you be able to opt-out? You will probably have familial uploads from later generations: would they allow you to commit suicide, at the cost of their feelings (and your ability to provide for the real-worldlings)?

Further Conclusions from this section:

  1. As you get older you may want to die anyway, and if the government in control of the hivemind decides that the life in it is too valuable to let go, will they let it? You need to be confident you want to live forever, as the cost of a 'fate-worse-than-death' is greater than the cost of death. So wait until you are 40 and your feelings change before you make such a dangerous risk as investing in immortality. Do not prioritise a rational immortality over unhappy immortality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYOE_b4aYD0


          Prismattic on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

I will pay $500 to anyone who can convince me to NOT X

Is incentivizing yourself to X. Not ideal for being open to genuinely changing your mind.


          jkaufman on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

He stands to save a lot of money over the years by canceling his subscription, much more than this $500. The net short and medium term (which of course ignores the potential, long term, payoff of cryonics working) incentive is towards changing his mind and believing "not X", he's just offering to split some of that incentive with us.


          Ishaan on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

This post inspired me to quickly do this calculation. I did not know what the answer would be when I started. It could convince you in either direction really, depending on your level of self/altruism balance and probability estimate.

Cost of neuro-suspension cryonics > $20,000

Cost of saving a single life via effective altruism, with high certainty < $5,000

Let's say you value a good outcome with a mostly-immortal life at X stranger's regular-span lives.

Let "C" represent the threshold of certainty that signing up for cryonics causes that good outcome.

C*X / $20,000 > 1 / $5,000

C > 4/x

Conclusion: with estimates biased towards the cryonics side of the equation... in order to sign up your minimum certainty that it will work as expected must be four divided by the number of strangers you would sacrifice your immortality for.

If you value immortality at the cost of 4 strangers, you should sign up for cryonics instead of E.A. only if you are 100% certain it will work.

If you value immortallity at the cost of 400 strangers, you should sign of for cryonics instead of E.A. only if you are more than 1% certain it will work.

(^ Really what is happening here is that at the cost of 4 strangers you are taking a gamble on a 1% chance..but it amounts to the same thing if you shut up and multiply)

The numbers for whole-body suspension will be rather different.


          solipsist on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

This sort of utilitarian calculation should be done with something like QALYs, not lives. If the best charities extend life at $150 per QALY, and a $20,000 neuro-suspension extends life by a risk-adjusted 200 QALYs, then purchasing cryonics for yourself would be altruistically utilitarian.


          jkaufman on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

These calculations get really messy because the future civilization reviving you as an upload is unlikely to have their population limited by frozen people to scan. Instead they probably run as many people as they have resources or work for, and if they decide to run you it's instead of someone else. There are probably no altruistic QALYs in preserving someone for this future.


          solipsist on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

This reply made me really think, and prompted me to ask this question.


          Ishaan on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

True, but that's much harder to estimate (because real world QALY data) and involves more uncertainty (how many QALYs to expect after revival?) and I didn't want that much work - just a quick estimate.

However, I'm guessing someone else has done this properly at some point?


          solipsist on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

However, I'm guessing someone else has done this properly at some point?

Note: I have not, so do not use my 200 QALYs as an anchor.


          somervta on I Will Pay $500 To Anyone Who Can Convince Me To Cancel My Cryonics Subscription        

<sarcasm>

Yes. Because instructing people to avoid anchoring effects works.

</sarcasm>


          Sleepless Nights 09-25-2015 with Biostatic        
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Production Unit Xero- Cryonax - Alphabet Of Desire
JVox- Flashbacks - Strange Universe
This Will Destroy You- War Prayer - Another Language
Outer Room- If So Then - Astral Deception
Biosaic Biaxial Creep- Water God - BiosaIc Vs Biaxial Creep
Known Rebel- Smart Millipede Remix - Hollow Remixes
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Cathode Ray Tube- The Old Space - Exodus Partners
Simon Scott- An Angel From The Sea Kissed Me - Insomni
Propeller- A Bucket Of Tar In The Kissre - Argento
Explosions In The Sky- Day One - The Rescue
I Am Sonic Rain- Between Whales And Feverish Lights - Between Whales And Feverish Lights
Legendary Pink Dots- Made Mans Manifesto - Your Children Placate You From Premature Graves
Tosca- Ambient Emely - Opera
Muslimgauze- 8 Am Tel Aviv Islamic Jihad - Gun Aramaic
Biosaic- Altocumulus - Cloudland
Mika Vainio Joachim Nordwall- Praseodymium - Monstrance


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          JoshuaZ on Artificial Addition        

It this thread itself. He's commenting on the top paragraph of the original post. (It seems like thread necromancy at LW is actually very common. It may not be a good term given the negative connotations of necromancy for many people. Maybe thread cryonic revival?)


          JoshuaZ on Artificial Addition        

I'd expect here we'd give necromancy positive connotations. Most of the people here seem to be against death.

Just because we have a specific attitude about things doesn't mean we need to go and use terminology that has pre-existing connotations. I don't think for example that calling cryonics "technological necromancy" or "supercold lichdom" would be helpful to getting people listen although both would be awesome names. However, Eliezer seems to disagree at least in regards to cryonics in certain narrow contexts. See his standard line when people ask about his cryonic medallion that it is a mark of his membership in the "Cult of the Severed Head."

There's actually a general trend in modern fantasy literature to see necromancy as less intrinsically evil. The most prominent example would be Garth Nix's "Abhorsen" trilogy and the next most prominent would be Gail Martin's "Chronicles of the Necromancer" series. Both have necromancers as the main protagonists. However, in this context, most of the cached thoughts about death still seem to be present. In both series, the good necromancers use their powers primarily to stop evil undead and help usher people in to accepting death and the afterlife. Someone should at some point write a fantasy novel in which there's a good necromancer who brings people back as undead.

I thought it's only thread necromancy if it moves it to the front page. This website doesn't seem to work like that. I hope it doesn't work like that, because I posted most of my comments on old threads.

Posts only get put to the main page if Eliezer decides do so (which he generally does to most high ranking posts).


          taryneast on Artificial Addition        

I don't think for example that calling cryonics "technological necromancy" or "supercold lichdom" would be helpful to getting people listen although both would be awesome names.

I dunno - I reckon you might get increased interest from the SF/F crowd. :)


          lessdazed on Artificial Addition        

I don't think for example that calling cryonics "technological necromancy" or "supercold lichdom" would be helpful to getting people listen although both would be awesome names.

...or would they...nahh.


          Murray Ballard        



The subject matter in Murray Ballard’s current project, The Prospect of Immortality, an investigation into cryonics, is incredibly fascinating. Ballard’s work about the technology used in preserving the dead - for possible revival in the future, starts off with a quote from The Impossible Dream by Charles Platt


“The dream of escaping mortality has tantalized humanity for thousands of years. It occurs in all primitive cultures and modern religions… Cleary, there is a natural human yearning to transcend the limits imposed on us by our physical form.” Charles Platt, The Impossible Dream

Murray Ballard is a documentary photographer based in Brighton, UK.

You can see more of Murray Ballard’s work at http://www.murrayballard.com/
          Comment on Corpsicles in The New Yorker by someone        
I think you've missed the main point of cryonics. There is such a thing as whole-body preservation in cryonics, but to my knowledge the majority of people choose the head-only option. The reason isn't because these people speculate on getting their frozen head reattached to a new body, but they actually hope that the information patterns in their brains stay intact enough to be reconstructed and emulated on a computer/robot. If you have a reductionist worldview (which is the one and only scientifically sound worldview as of now) then there is no problem with this approach and we could reconstruct and upload a brain into a computer, and that upload would then be you - you'd be dead and wake up in new body and not even notice the difference at first, because all your memories and your personality would be intact, if the information has remained intact enough. You would have switched the medium but it would still be you and you would still feel like yourself. There is nothing known in the laws of physics that would prohibit this from working - but that said, I haven't seen conclusive evidence that our current preservation technology (liquid nitrogen) really preserves the brain well enough for a reconstruction. The question is also "how well is well enough" - do you have to reconstruct a brain down to the molecular level, or does the cellular level suffice? Still, I'd take my chances if there actually was a company that offered me the option of cryonics in my country. In conclusion, you've missed the main point of cryonics: Most (or at least most reasonable) cryonicists don't really expect to be reawakened in their old body, many just want their brains uploaded into a new body and afterwards continue their new life in the future. There's nothing unreasonable about taking that gamble with the grim reaper - even if your chances of survival and reconstruction were as low as 5%, this still beats the 100% chance that you're dead if you just let your corpse rot or burn instead.
          Freezing        
Cryobiologist Dr. Katie Marshall joins Joe, Kevin, and Toren to talk about the horrible side of turning water into ice.  We cover nucleation, amorphous ice, flash-freezing humans, paradoxical undressing and terminal burrowing, promession burial, cryonics, Nazi freezing experiments, plus news and pop culture! Music: "Make It Gross" by Sasja Smolders (formerly Sasja Vice) (Lyrics Joe Fulgham, Music by BassBeastJD) Links Dr. Katie Marshall at UBC Images Videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3wuPUjzSA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4cX2EPt2zE
          We Will Live Again        

WE WILL LIVE AGAIN looks inside the unusual and extraordinary operations of the Cryonics Institute. The film follows Ben Best and Andy Zawacki, the caretakers of 99 deceased human bodies stored at below freezing temperatures in cryopreservation. The Institute and Cryonics Movement were founded by Robert Ettinger who, in his nineties and long retired from running the facility, still self-publishes books on cryonics, awaiting the end of his life and eagerly anticipating the next.

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Directed by Myles Kane & Josh Koury

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          TRC #72: Gambler's Fallacy + Cryonics + Super Freakonomics Review        
Elan bets on the gambler's fallacy, Adam thaws out the topic of cryonics, and Darren freaks out about the book Super Freakonomics.
          The Unincorporated Man by Dani & Eytan Kollin        
The Unincorporated Man stands as a winner of the Prometheus Award, given for remarkable Science Fiction of a Libertarian bend. Reading this book, it can be plainly seen why it won this award.

I generally don’t like to get into politics when discussing SF literature, but there are times when a book IS political, and that must be considered when reading. As such, this book firmly occupies the far right spectrum of American politics (which has its own peculiarities when viewed internationally). For full disclosure, I consider myself to be mostly centrist, with a slight liberal and slight libertarian bias. While some issues I lean hard left, others I lean hard right, so often the “left-right spectrum” is inadequate to fully describe political leanings, but I hope this gives a benchmark, and helps explain how I come to view this book.

I've seen the book described as a "utopian/dystopian" story, and I think that depends entirely on where you political outlook is. As can be surmised this book is decidedly on the hard right. It describes a future in which the government is constitutionally limited to be as ineffectual and unobtrusive as possible (indeed, many aspects we today see as necessary roles of government -- like currency, the justice system, and law enforcement -- have been given private options in this setting). Indeed, the setting has been wrapped around
Libertarian truths, to sometimes a ridiculous and satiristic extent (government officials are always portrayed as talent-less and self-important, the term "tax" and "Tax Collectors" are bogey-men -- even if the main meme of the book effectively suggests a 5% flat tax, even if they don't like the term). In short, the future suggested here is very Corporatist, where corporations and business transactions dominate human interaction in a way that it has never before in history.

That's not to say there are no issues with this society. The main theme of this book is that, in the future, ALL citizens are required to "Incorporate" themselves, in the same way a business incorporates. Shares are created (100,000 at birth, which can be sub-divided later in the same way corporate stocks can split). Five percent of these shares go to the government (which they use for revenue -- effectively taxation even if the characters of the setting refuse to call it thus), 20% to the parents, and the rest for the individual to sell off, if they choose, to raise capital for things like education, luxuries, emergencies, and whatever else one would need to raise capital for.

On the surface admittedly there is an intriguing appeal, much in the same way Heinlein's military service for suffrage has an appeal. But both are, in my opinion, inimical to the functioning of a free and deliberate society. The obvious problem is that this amounts to appalling slavery, a slavery of choice. If lets say you sell off your remaining stock down to the legal limit (which in this setting has been decreasing for decades -- originally 45%, now down to 25%), your stockholders could effectively intervene in your decisions, down to mandated psychic and health exams in order to "protect their stock."

While admittedly this system rewards talent with resources to exploit that talent, it also means that talent can be more effectively exploited by others for their own gain. In the above scenario, lets say as a kid you were very talented and intelligent, getting good grades and testing out to an above average IQ. You sell your stock to get into Medical school, where again you excel, but requires selling the maximum amount of stock you have in order to fund this very expensive education.

As these inputs develop your capabilities, so does your stock increase (you are, in effect, making yourself more "valuable" financially). When done with your education, predictably you go on to a successful career, further boosting your stock. But with 5% held by the government, another 20% by your parents, and 50% by outside investors, you are entitled to only 25% of the fruits of your labor -- the rest go to other entities. Thus the struggle to buy back enough of your stock to hit "majority" and thus a measure of independence is a struggle that could take decades to accomplish -- far more a sacrifice than say paying off student loans!

This system does not exist without heroes looking to tear it down. Enter Justin Cord, a billionaire that had himself "frozen" from our own time, and takes advantage of better technology to cure his 21st century ails and grant longevity. He also pre-dates Incorporation, and is the only "free" human in the setting.

Literarily speaking, Justin Cord in my mind comes off as being a bit of a Marty Stu. He is effective at whatever he does, still is fabulously wealthy, and is able to break traditional cultural taboos of the time because, quite frankly, he's awesome.

This is, in effect, a Time Travel novel, just with the mechanism being served by cryonics rather than a macguffin machine. And like a Time Travel novel, cliches still abound. The character is pleasantly surprised that the Beetles are still as popular as ever, there are still Trekkies, and native Italians still can't make a good pizza. I have to admit, when I read these, there was a little eye rolling going on...

Getting back to the political scope of this novel, I couldn't help but feel there's a bit of naivete going on here. I view hard-core Libertarianism in the same light as Communism: it might work in theory, but in practice, comrade...

Ultimately it will depend on how much on the right the reader lean whether they have the same opinion. But I have to admit, not being that far right leaning, there were a few "Oh, not that canard again!" moments.

Critically speaking, I think there was too much the authors were trying to pack into this book at the same time. I would have rather have seen a reduction down to the main theme of the book, exploring the "Incorporated" society from all aspects -- for example, start off the first third of the novel with an examination of the positive aspects of this society, the second third the negative, and leave the end for tearing down this edifice. Also not much time is given to the poor, how they fit into this society, and how society decides to care for them, or even if the do at all. There are some mentions here and there, but what happens to a "penny" (reference to the value of their stock, i.e. a "Penny stock") whose stock rating is nearly worthless, how they struggle to advance in a society that is entirely profit driven, or even if they can advance at all?

In the end, if you enjoy Libertarian SF, this might be a good book to pick up. For me, while I enjoy reading speculations that do not necessarily agree with my political point of  view, there were just a few too many cliches and canards here, making it a readable if flawed book.

I also understand there is a sequel, so watch this space for that review, when it comes.
          æ˜Ÿéšé»žèŠ±åœ’飯店 婚禮紀錄 [柏均&暐婷 ] 結婚婚宴        


星靚點花園會館, 幸福印象館, 婚攝KK, 婚禮紀錄, 婚宴,

距離拍攝這場婚禮其實有點時間了,
當時應該算是拍攝這個新場地前幾位婚攝吧(笑,
不過一直到最近才有些空可以更新上來XDD,

無論如何,感謝當時新人信任與交付,
讓KK這個機會能拍攝到如此壯闊氣派的宴會場景

(根本就是大景等級的宴會廳XD),
實在是太銷魂了~

恭囍恭囍啊,一定要幸福喔^^!!

平面攝影 // K.k. Wu

燈光助理 //  Huang Howard
宴客場所 // 星靚點花園飯店
粉絲專頁 // å¹¸ç¦å°è±¡é¤¨ã€å©šæ” KK】
星靚點花園會館, 幸福印象館, 婚攝KK, 婚禮紀錄, 婚宴,

          Practical Norwegian Grammar- Åse-Berit og Rolf Strandskogen        

This grammar has been written specially for non-Norwegians. Our aim has been to give a simple, step-hy-step presentation of the grammatical rules and systems of Norwegian «bokmâl», one of the two official written variants of Norwegian. The many examples given throughout the book assist the reader in practical usages which have proved difficult for those learning the language. As the intention of this book is to give a practical guide to modern Norwegian as it is used in an everyday context, emphasis has been given to providing translations of the Norwegian examples which are as colloquial and idiomatic as possible. The British English variants used throughout in the translations may on occasion appear unfamiliar to speakers of. for example. American English, but this should not be an obstacle to a full understanding of the text.
Haslum, January 1986
Ase-Berit and Rolf Strandskogen Barbara White

Contents
Preface ................................................ 9
I Parts of speech ..................................... 11
VERBS ................................................. 12
INFINITIVE ............................................ 12
IMPERATIVE .......................................... 15
SUBJUNCTIVE ......................................... I7
INDICATIVE ........................................... I7
Active .................................................. 17
Passive   ................................................. 18
Present  ................................................. 18
Past (Imperfect)   ......................................... 20
Perfect.................................................. 21
Pluperfect......................................•........ 22
Future.................................................. 23
Future Perfect ........................................... 26
Conditional   ............................................. 26
Conditional Perfect....................................... 27
The Continuous Aspect ................................... 27
SEQUENCE OF TENSES ................................ 28
MODAL AUXILIARIES.................................. 29
Modal auxiliacies without a main verb ...................... 32
TRANSITIVE AND INTRANSITIVE VERBS  ............. 33
Conjugation of some intransitive and transitive verbs......... 34
SEPARABLE AND INSEPARABLE COMPOUND VERBS
PRESENT PARTICIPLE................................. 37
VERBS ENDING IN -S .................................. 3S
CONJUGATIONS ....................................... 40
ARTICLES.............................................. 45
FORM   ................................................. 45
Articles in relation to nouns ............................... 45
Articles in relation to adjectives  ........................... 46
FUNCTION ............................................. 47
Simple/compound definite ................................. 47
Rules for use of the articles ............................... 50
NOUNS ................................................ 57
GENDER   .............................................. 57
Masculine ............................................... 57
Feminine................................................ 58
Neuter.................................................. 58
DECLENSIONS ......................................... 59
Masculine nouns ......................................... 59
Feminine nouns .......................................... 61
Neuter nouns ............................................ 62
MORE ABOUT SINGULAR AND PLURAL .............. 64
DEFINITE OR INDEFINITE FORM   ..................... 64
CASE .................................................. 65
Nominative.............................................. 65
Genitive  ................................................ 65
Dative .................................................. 65
COMPOUND NOUNS ................................... 67
Noun + Noun ........................................... 67
Adjective + Noun  ....................................... 68
Verb + Noun  ........................................... 69
Preposition + Noun ...................................... 69
Adverb + Noun  ......................................... 69
ADJECTIVES ........................................... 70
DECLENSIONS ......................................... 70
Regular declension ....................................... 70
Irregular forms  .......................................... 71
«Liten» ............................................... 75
«Annen» and «egen» ................................... 75
«Mange» and «mye».................................... 77
The indefinite form of the adjective ........................ 77
The definite form of the adjective .......................... 78
Successive adjectives  ..................................... 79
The past participle used as an adjective ..................... 79
Other adjectives ending in -et  ............................. 80
Comparison of adjectives  ................................. 80
Concord  ................................................ 84
ADVERBS  .............................................. 8"
FORMS  ................................................ 87
Comparison of adverbs  ................................... 88
ADVERBS OF DEGREE ................................ 90
«Valdig» - «mye» - «cnda» - «aller»  ..................... 90
ADVERBS OF PLACE .................................. 90
Stative and dynamic pairs................................ 91
Pairs with the same meanings............................ 91
ADVERBS OF MANNER   ............................... 92
«Slik/sänn» - «slikt/sänt» ................................ 92
«Hvordan» ............................................ 92
ADVERBS OF MODIFICATION ......................... 92
«Da», «nok», «jo», «vel», «na», «sikkert» ................. 93
«Heller»  .............................................. 94
ADVERBS OF TIME .................................... 95
«Ennä» - «enda»....................................... 95
«Da» - «sa» ........................................... 95
«Noen gang» - «Noen ganger»........................... 96
«Sjelden» - «sjeldent» .................................. 97
«F0rst»  ............................................... 97
ADVERBIAL PHRASES OF TIME....................... 97
«I gär» - «i dag» - «i morgen» ........................... 97
«Om sommercn/vintcren» ............................... 98
«Om dagen/natten»   .................................... 99
«I är» - «i äret»........................................ 99
Duration of time ....................................... 99
Holidays .............................................. 100
«How long» ........................................... 101
During................................................ 101
PRONOUNS............................................. 102
PERSONAL PRONOUNS................................ 104
Subject form  ............................................ 104
Subject or object form .................................... 104
Indefinite use - «du», «de» ................................ 104
Neutral forms - «den», «det» .............................. 105
Repetition of subject form  ................................ 105
Object form in exclamations............................... 105
REFLEXIVE PRONOUNS ............................... 105
In reflexive verbs  ........................................ 105
Comparison with object form of personal pronouns  .......... 106
Reflexive/non-reflexive verbs ..............................106
Infinitives after reflexive pronouns .........................107
POSSESSIVE PRONOUNS............................... 107
Position of possessives .................................... 108
Genitive  ................................................ 109
Reflexive possessive pronouns .............................109
DEMONSTRATIVE PRONOUNS ........................ 112
Form ................................................... 112
Obligatory neuter singular form............................ 113
Definite article or demonstrative pronoun? ..................113
Compound/Simple definite ................................114
Special note on demonstrative pronouns ....................114
Other demonstrative pronouns............................. 115
«Slik» - «slikt» - «slike» ................................ 115
«Samme»   ............................................. 115
«Sclv/sj0l(v)» .......................................... 115
«Begge»  .............................................. 116
INTERROGATIVE PRONOUNS ......................... 117
«Hvem»   .............................................. 118
«Hva» ................................................118
«Hvilkcn» - «hvilket» - «hvilke» .........................118
«Hva for en/et/noe/noen»  ...............................118
RELATIVE PRONOUNS ................................ 120
«Som» ................................................120
As subject in relative clauses .............................. 121
Special uses of «som»..................................... 122
Literary forms ........................................... 123
Cleft sentences  ..........................................123
«Som» in relation to time and place ........................124
RECIPROCAL PRONOUNS ............................. 125
Each other .............................................. 125
INDEFINITE PRONOUNS............................... 125
One .................................................... 125
Assertive pronouns - noen/noe ............................126
annen/annet/andre .................... 127
mange/myc  .......................... 127
Negative pronouns - no one/nothing   .......................127
Universal pronouns - all/evcryone/everything................ 129
each/every ........................... 131
Impersonal pronoun ...................................... 132
CONJUNCTIONS ........................................ 135
COORDINATING CONJUNCTIONS .....................135
SUBORDINATING CONJUNCTIONS .................... 135
<«Om»   ................................................ 137
Conjunctions of time ..................................... 138
«Da» - «nar» .......................................... 138
«Etter at» - «etter» - «etterpa» .......................... 139
«F0r» - «foran» - «tidligere» ............................ 139
Conjunctions of cause  .................................... 140
«Fordi» - «for» ........................................ 149
«Fordi» - «derfor»  ..................................... 140
Conjunctions of condition ................................. 143
«Uten at» - «uten a» ................................... 142
Conjunctions of concession ................................ 143
Conjunctions of purpose .................................. 143
Conjunctions of result  .................................... 144
«Sa» .................................................. 144
Conjunctions of comparison ............................... 145
INTERJECTIONS   ....................................... 146
NUMERALS   ............................................ 147
CARDINALS/ORDINALS ............................... 147
Notes on «en/en/et/ett»  ................................... 148
Second   ................................................. 148
Alternative forms ........................................ 149
Dates and age  ........................................... 149
Fractions ................................................ 150
The clock ............................................... 151
Money ..................................................
Some idioms   ............................................ 155
Numerals written as words or figures .......................
PREPOSITIONS ......................................... 156
Place ................................................... 156
Time  ................................................... I59
Purpose ................................................. l59
Means .................................................. 159
Attribute................................................ I59
Genitive  ................................................ 160
Passive   ................................................. 160
Prepositional phrases which
replace genitives ......................................... 160
Prepositional phrases which
replace compound nouns.................................. 161
Idiomatic prepositional phrases  ............................ 162
II Sentence elements................................. 180
SUBJECT  .............................................. 180
«Det» as subject ......................................... 180
VERB PHRASE   ........................................ 181
COMPLEMENT......................................... 182
OBJECT................................................ 183
INDIRECT OBJECT  .................................... 184
ADVERBIAL ........................................... 185
III Sentence structure ................................ 186
MAIN CLAUSES  ....................................... 186
SUBORDINATE CLAUSES   ............................. 186
IV Word order ....................................... 188
MAIN CLAUSES   ....................................... 188
Position of the subject .................................... 188
Position of the verb phrase ................................ 188
Position of the adverbial .................................. 190
Position of the direct and indirect object .................... 192
Position of the reflexive pronoun   .......................... 192
SUBORDINATE CLAUSES   ............................. 193
SUBORDINATE CLAUSE RELATIVE TO MAIN CLAUSE 194
Subordinate clause first ................................... 194
Main clause first ......................................... 194
RULES FOR THE USE OF COMMAS.................... 195
Index.................................................. 197












          NOVA | S40 Ep20: Cryonics        
A company called Alcor freezes dead people, hoping to restore them to health one day.
          gwern on [Link] Reddit, help me find some peace I'm dying young        

Oh right; I'm so used to cryonics funding always being life insurance I forgot it wouldn't apply here. Hm... I was trying for some sort of verification of financial commitment to being preserved. Suggestions on wording?


          Buy Laptops, if you are always on the move!        

 
A 14-year-old girl with terminal cancer wanted her body to be frozen after her death in case she could be cured in the future. Since she was not old enough to write a will, she wrote a letter to the High Court in London asking that her mother would be the sole decision maker regarding the disposal of her body when she died.
She wrote "I want to live and live longer and I think that in the future they may find a cure for my cancer and wake me up. I want to have this chance. This is my wish".

The ruling by the High Court judge in London that the girl's mother should be allowed to decide what happened to the body of her daughter was made on 6 October.
The judge highlighted that he had not made a ruling on cryopreservation, he merely gave the mother the legal right to follow her daughter's last wish. The girl died peacefully later that month comforted by the knowledge that her remains would be preserved.

A publicity ban was imposed at the time of the hearing so that the girl was not subjected to further distress in her final days of life. Immediately after her death, the girl was flown to the US (cryogenics is not available in the UK) where her body is now being stored indefinitely in liquid nitrogen at temperatures below -130 ̊C. The cost of £37,000 had been raised by the family once the girl had made her wishes known.
Cryonics is based on the theory that the whole body is preserved in the hope that resuscitation and a cure are possible in the distant future. Although frozen embryos have been showed to remain viable and successfully used in fertility treatments, there is no evidence that it would be possible to bring a frozen body back to life.

Although the hospital trust co-operated in the procedure needed for the girl's body to be preserved, they raised concerns and highlighted the need for proper regulation. The process required for a body that is to be cryogenically preserved is similar to that used after the death of a potential organ donor.

Source: cnnnewstoday

          eli_sennesh on Rationality Quotes June 2014        

(And I'm pretty sure that many common LW positions would be considered idiocy in the larger world.)

Having come from there, the general perception is that LW-ers and our positions are not idiots, but instead the kind of deluded crackpot nonsense smart people make up to believe in. Of course, that's largely for the more abstruse stuff, as people in the outside world will either grudgingly admit the uses of Bayesian reasoning and debiasing or just fail to understand what they are.

A large part of the problem is that all the lessons of Traditional Rationality teach to guard against actually arriving to conclusions before amassing what I think one Sequence post called "mountains of evidence". The strength and stridency with which LW believes and believes in certain things fail a "smell test" for overconfidence, even though the really smelly things (like, for example, cryonics) are usually actively debated on LW itself (I recall reading in this year's survey that the mean LW-er believes cryonics has a 14% chance of working, which is lower than people with less rationality training estimate).

So in contradistinction to Traditional Rationality (as practiced by almost everyone with a remotely scientific education), we are largely defined (as was noted in the survey) by our dedication to Bayesian reasoning, and our willingness to take ideas seriously, and thus come to probabilistic-but-confident conclusions while the rest of the world sits on its hands waiting for further information. Well, that and our rabid naturalism on philosophical topics.


          Scientists bring a frozen brain back to life        
In a world first, researchers have managed to successfully thaw a cryonically frozen rabbit brain. The breakthrough, which is the first time anyone ha... ---> Read More
          Elon Musk’s new firm to merge human brain with machines        
Elon Musk’s new firm to merge human brain with machines

Billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk has founded another tech firm called Neuralink, which aims to create a much more sophisticated artificial intelligence by linking human brains with computers.

Neuralink will focus on using the neural lace technology where humans and machines will be able to interact with each other without using any physical interface.

The so-called neural lace technology works through implantation of electrodes into the brain, which allows people to communicate with machines. Such a blend will allow people to upload as well as download their thoughts as well. It will also improve humans’ cognitive skills in addition to their memory.

Mr. Musk’s SpaceX is meanwhile working on an ambitious plan to take humans to Mars. The new technology would likely be of great help in achieving that goal.

Philip Rhoades, who founded a body-freezing cryonics lab & a brain preserving firm called the Neural Archives Foundation, said, “I am convinced that I need to become a virtual person (via mind uploading) sooner rather than later … I don’t care if your average Facebook user thinks it’s all crazy...”

Electrode implants in the human brain are already used in several people diagnosed with neurological disorders like epilepsy and Parkinson’s. However, these implants aren’t as complex as Mr. Musk envisions them to be.

Companies: 
General: 
People: 

          Cryonic Temple - Into the Glorious Battle        
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          Don DeLillo: Zero K        

In Don DeLillo's latest novel, Zero K, the practice of cryonics or freezing oneself to be awakened later, is in full, but secret swing.


          Will Cryonics ever work?        
They keep changing what and when it means to be dead. 100 years ago if your heart stopped you'd be dead...Now even lack of brain activity as in certain brain surgeries...isn't a reliable cut off. Who knows what Future Nanotecnology will bring?
Answer:
In my opinion, yes, Cryonics will eventually work. Vitrification, a minimally damaging process similar to freezing, is making huge advances. Within the last year, an entire rabbit kidney was vitrified, stored in liquid nitrogen, thawed, and implanted. (and it worked!) Before this, it had never been done with anything as large as a whole organ.Freezing and Thawing technology will continue to mature over time, and eventually work.That brings us to why Cryonicists spend the money to be frozen. Time. Decay, and every other cellular process, practically stops at liquid nitrogen temperature. If it takes 50 or 500 years for the technology to develop, that's ok, because it is the equivalent of less than a second of cellular decay at -192 degrees.http://www.benbest.com is an excellent resource.
http://www.alcor.org and
http://www.cryonics.org are the two primary Cryonics organizations in the US.Ejay Hire, Funded option 2 member of the Cryonics Institute
I really not want to wait around to find out. I just be cremated and Believe what Jesus say He will do for me. I would rather trust God and Greedy Man. Sorry I can not help you more. The link may help you though, this Cryonics Lab been around since 1972, I think.
Here's the rub. We don't really know what it is we are trying to preserve.For instance, you could store some DNA easily. Or, you could even do a gene by gene print out and store it digitally. But we know that a clone of you wouldn't be you.So, what is it that we really want to save? Is it the whole brain? The connections in a particular brain? The brain getting hormonal messages from a particular body?We just don't know what essential parts have to be preserved to preserve the sort of 'you' that you would recognize.Even then there is a problem. What if the brain is the sort of thing that has to be 'on', at least most of the time, to stay 'brainy'? There's a real problem. And what if what we need to preserve is impossible to preserve? There are quantum states that are by definition impossible to preserve, or even know about without damaging them.The long and the short of it is that simple cryogenics isn't likely to be the sort of answer we want. More likely is some sort of way to record the 'you' that is you onto another medium and restore from that. A sort of back up disk.
It works great on ants: If you freeze them (say to around 10 degrees), they lay still- immobile. Then, if you let them thaw out, they unfreeze, and crawl away as they unfreeze. I have done this experiment many times. I have read that it works well on at least some fish, too.
At the current state and means of practice, I see only problems for those preserving themselves cryogenically. To be frozen, you first have to be dead, so the problem is not just one of defrosting and reanimating, but of bringing life back. This will raise legal issues because the person has already died, what can there legal status be? Do they have rights? Suppose the changes in society (spiritually, financially, politically) are so great that the person does not want to live in that time, but law at that time forbids euthenasia or refreezing? If the changes in technology are not quick enough, how much effort should be required to store/transport frozen bodies to keep them safew from increases in solar intensity?Just keep it simple for me